88 vs 2 maniacs, turn/river decisions

VelarStop · #1 10-22-2007, 11:37 PM

MP is 40/30/3 maniac who coldcaps w/A8o and 3bets any 2 broadway and pretty much any pair, any Ax, any Kx, any Qxs and a whole plethora of random trash.
CO was seperated at birth and is 40/35/3 and 3bets all the same as MP and more.

Any hand they're in together results in a preflop cap.

Absolute Poker $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero raises, MP 3-bets, CO caps!, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls, MP calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, CO calls, Hero raises, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, CO folds, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB
I don't ever fold this PF against these 2 since I'm lightyears ahead of their range and they've been doing this at least twice an orbit.

I think the flop raise was mandatory since they're both probably drawing to 6 outs, but I wonder if a donk check on the turn would have been more appropriate since its now HU and after calling the flop c/r he's going to SD. It's important to note that he WILL BET every time I check on the turn.

shane88888 · #2 10-23-2007, 12:31 AM

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but I wonder if a donk check on the turn would have been more appropriate since its now HU

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I don't understand this.

VelarStop · #3 10-23-2007, 12:34 AM

In retrospect that statement makes little sense even to me, I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that part.

shane88888 · #4 10-23-2007, 12:56 AM

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In retrospect that statement makes little sense even to me, I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that part.

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Did the converter mess up? Do you want to clarify the action? What is this HU on the turn business?

VelarStop · #5 10-23-2007, 01:14 AM

Converter didn't mess up, hand is HU on the turn, title may have been misleading, it's 2 LAGS preflop, I knock one out with my flop raise, really I'm just cooncerned about the action on the turn and river HU against MP.

Since so much of his range is UI OCs when those last two fall, I think I probably should have b/f turn or tossed on the river. I'm more inclined towards calling the turn and folding the river UI since his turn raise could easily be a FD he picked up w/the J.

shane88888 · #6 10-23-2007, 02:19 AM

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Turn: (9.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, CO folds, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

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Converter didn't mess up, hand is HU on the turn, title may have been misleading, it's 2 LAGS preflop, I knock one out with my flop raise, really I'm just cooncerned about the action on the turn and river HU against MP.

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You're not making any sense.

lippy · #7 10-23-2007, 03:44 AM

If you know he's going to bluff turn/river, I c/c down.

Saikkonen · #8 10-23-2007, 04:43 AM

If it's HU on the turn and you know he will bet 100% when checked to you have an easy checkraise - you will be in front here most of the time.

Raist0000 · #9 10-23-2007, 08:52 AM

I think you played it ok. One thing is sure: never fold versus maniacs!

edit: he will bet when you check to him, but he will usually bluffraise too, so the lines aren't much different

VelarStop · #10 10-23-2007, 09:55 AM

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Turn: (9.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, CO folds, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

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Converter didn't mess up, hand is HU on the turn, title may have been misleading, it's 2 LAGS preflop, I knock one out with my flop raise, really I'm just cooncerned about the action on the turn and river HU against MP.

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You're not making any sense.

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Ohhh, didn't notice, yeah converter messed up, CO folded on the flop.