Arky Vaughan

[Josh W]

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Vaughn was always the odd man out. I used to pore over baseball stats and I have to admit that I, too, hadn't known about him until I read Bill James.

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Didn't you ever see him play?

[mo42nyy]

schilling is very similar to david cone
obviosuly schilling will be remebered for the bloody suck be hes the best starting pitcher in baseball in the last 15-20 years.


Rube Waddel was basically a functional retard. Ty Cobb used to send fire trucks to drive the by stadium when waddel was getting ready to pitch and waddel would go chase the fire trucks. Opponents also gave him toys to distract him.

[mo42nyy]

also in the one season that walks were counted as hits tip oneil was given credit for batting .492 although when walks were removed it became 430ish

[sethypooh21]

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also in the one season that walks were counted as hits tip oneil was given credit for batting .492 although when walks were removed it became 430ish

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In retrospect, a very misleading choice, which has lead to all kinds of wrongheadedness throughout the years...

[andyfox]

I used to date his great-aunt. Helluva stud horse player, IIRC.

[THEOSU]

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Kevin Brown had one of the most insane peaks ever.

Another great example: Tris Speaker. How about Dick Allen?

If you want a modern day example, Gary Sheffield.

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Don't think I buy Speaker in this debate. He's constantly mentioned with Cobb, Mays, Mantle et al in greatest cf talks and has been in my 30 years as a ballfan. Little known fact; Speaker was the only known member of both the BBHOF and the KKK, but this is back when the Klan was basically a social club.

Here's a few others for you guys to check out:

Sam Crawford
Ed Walsh
Joe McGinnity
Old Hoss Radbourne (you'll like his '84 season)
Three-finger brown
Ed Walsh
Jack Chesbro
Heinie Manusch
Chuck Klein
Al Simmons
Gabby Hartnett
Rube Marguard ('Rube' was essentionally 'donkey' a century ago)
Sliding Billy Hamilton
Hugh Duffy
Tuck Turner (Look at his 1894 and realize he was his team's fourth outfielder. Then, look tat he other three.)
Kid Nichols
Ken Williams (The first 30-30 man by decades)
Smokey Joe Wood
Eddie Collins
Home Run Baker
Adie joss
Hal newhouser
Dazzy Vance (Note the age at which he started pitching)
babe Herman
Johnny Mize (HR/SO)
Tip O'Neill

Used to be I could have built this list off the top of my head. now, a quick look at the year by year ops/era leaders for each team suffices.

Those Pirates were a pretty good team. With Arky and the Waner brothers, they had three Hall of famers at their peaks and the end-of-career Pie Traynor made it four HOF's total.

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a very large number of the players you listed are products of their era.

[wisehandpoker]

True. most of the names stuck with me from a childhood that didn't include OpS+, EqA, et al. Still fun to look at.