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#11
11-11-2007, 06:26 AM
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Re: Best Players Union?
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Uhhh how is this not the MLBPA? Look at the contracts of the players. [/ QUOTE ] Take the Indians, how many players are earning, and will earn for a few years, way below market value? Sizemore, Guitierrez, Peralta, Cabrera, Garko, Carmona, Perez, Laffy, Shoppach, Lewis. That's 5/9 position players, 2/5 starting pitchers, 2/6 guys in the pen and 1/5 bench players who are going to be collecting maybe 1/4th of what they could on the market for the next 2-5 years. Then MLB has the luxury of keeping players around as backups in the minor leagues paying them even less. You could play professional baseball for 10 years in a system before hitting Free Agency. The CBA heavily favors the older players. 
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#12
11-11-2007, 06:55 AM
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Re: Best Players Union?
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The way the NBA draft is structured gives owners a huge advantage over the rookies, however. It's borderline ridiculous, actually. [/ QUOTE ] But the #1 pick in the NBA makes WAY more than the #1 pick in the NHL. And if you're a 2nd-rounder in the NBA you're an unrestricted free agent when your deal ends. You're not bound to the 3+1+1 to restricted free agency deal that first-rounders are. In 2005 Andrew Bogut would have gotten something like $19M for his 3+1 year deal. Sidney Crosby would have gotten under $4M in salary.
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#13
11-11-2007, 08:40 AM
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Re: Best Players Union?
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[ QUOTE ] Uhhh how is this not the MLBPA? Look at the contracts of the players. [/ QUOTE ] Take the Indians, how many players are earning, and will earn for a few years, way below market value? Sizemore, Guitierrez, Peralta, Cabrera, Garko, Carmona, Perez, Laffy, Shoppach, Lewis. That's 5/9 position players, 2/5 starting pitchers, 2/6 guys in the pen and 1/5 bench players who are going to be collecting maybe 1/4th of what they could on the market for the next 2-5 years. Then MLB has the luxury of keeping players around as backups in the minor leagues paying them even less. You could play professional baseball for 10 years in a system before hitting Free Agency. The CBA heavily favors the older players. [/ QUOTE ] While that is true, baseball has a minor league system while the NFL and NBA treat colleges as if they were the minor leagues (where the athletes "don't get paid"). Baseball players are compensated at all levels of competition (even if it sucks in the minors), and contracts are guaranteed. As long as you get to free agency, you're doing pretty damn good. Just because Lewis, Sizemore, et. al. are making less than market value now doesn't mean the MLBPA sucks - when these players are granted FA, they will be overpaid anyway.
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#14
11-11-2007, 08:41 AM
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Re: Best Players Union?
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[ QUOTE ] The way the NBA draft is structured gives owners a huge advantage over the rookies, however. It's borderline ridiculous, actually. [/ QUOTE ] But the #1 pick in the NBA makes WAY more than the #1 pick in the NHL. And if you're a 2nd-rounder in the NBA you're an unrestricted free agent when your deal ends. You're not bound to the 3+1+1 to restricted free agency deal that first-rounders are. In 2005 Andrew Bogut would have gotten something like $19M for his 3+1 year deal. Sidney Crosby would have gotten under $4M in salary. [/ QUOTE ] I just think structured bonuses are totally ludicrous, considering the talent is subject to a ton of variance from year to year.
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#18
11-11-2007, 11:12 AM
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Re: Best Players Union?
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Isn't the NFL cba expiring next year anyways? I assume the players will be asking for a lot. [/ QUOTE ] and i'm sure the owners will come out ahead. again. like always.
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#19
11-11-2007, 11:16 AM
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Re: Best Players Union?
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[ QUOTE ] The way the NBA draft is structured gives owners a huge advantage over the rookies, however. It's borderline ridiculous, actually. [/ QUOTE ] But the #1 pick in the NBA makes WAY more than the #1 pick in the NHL. And if you're a 2nd-rounder in the NBA you're an unrestricted free agent when your deal ends. You're not bound to the 3+1+1 to restricted free agency deal that first-rounders are. In 2005 Andrew Bogut would have gotten something like $19M for his 3+1 year deal. Sidney Crosby would have gotten under $4M in salary. [/ QUOTE ] However, Crosby earned several million in bonuses, and will make 8.7 million next year as a 21 year old. Entry level contracts in the NHL are small because generally a player on one isn't that good.
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#20
11-11-2007, 11:18 AM
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Re: Best Players Union?
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Just because Lewis, Sizemore, et. al. are making less than market value now doesn't mean the MLBPA sucks - when these players are granted FA, they will be overpaid anyway. [/ QUOTE ] And how many players don't make up that money because of injuries? Seeing a pitcher put up three or four valuable (relative to his contract) seasons and then succumbing to arm problems is not an uncommon story in MLB.
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