anyone know of a good hedge fund

[Scorpion Man]

Check out the news today. SEC changing minimum requirements to $2.5m investable assets (have to exclude house,etc). Unbelievable political maneuver in that they exempted VENTURE CAPITAL funds, which are much riskier and entirely illiquid, from the new requirements.

Fking politicans.

[chrisgl83]

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It's not elitism. Its pretty standard from what I understand. The fund you listed is the exception, rather than the rule.

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Take some sardonicism in stride.

My point was, the guy is not who he claims to be. First off, hedge funds require a $1mil deposit due to SEC regulations (most likely to be raised to 2.5 in a recent SEC reg. overhaul, that includes tons of great news for the retail investor as far as margin codes, etc.) They do not require "some $2mil-ish". Furthermore, if you 'only' have 50k, you STILL can't start your 'own' hedge fund, due to the same regulation!

And do I need to point out most investors (nearly 30% of hedge fund assets are part of pension funds), DO seek out hedge funds? Not the other way around.

[DesertCat]

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My point was, the guy is not who he claims to be. First off, hedge funds require a $1mil deposit due to SEC regulations (most likely to be raised to 2.5 in a recent SEC reg. overhaul, that includes tons of great news for the retail investor as far as margin codes, etc.) They do not require "some $2mil-ish". Furthermore, if you 'only' have 50k, you STILL can't start your 'own' hedge fund, due to the same regulation!

And do I need to point out most investors (nearly 30% of hedge fund assets are part of pension funds), DO seek out hedge funds? Not the other way around.

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What is being discussed here is that most hedge funds are limited to accredited investors. The reason they limit themselves to accredited investors is it reduces the fund's liability and exempts the fund from filing with the SEC. And they don't require a "$1M deposit", different hedge funds have different investment minimums. It's the accredited investor exemption that details net worth and income requirements that may be soon increased. You can start your own hedge fund with any amount of money, though I've heard it will cost $30k in legal just to get started.

And hedge funds do seek out investors. As an example, someone has already posted on this thread asking the OP to PM them. Read "Hedgehogging" for an interesting take on how to raise money as a hedge fund, both from wealthy individuals, institutionals, and funds of funds.

The problem with most hedge funds that seek out new investors is to quote Groucho Marx, "I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member". Any fund looking for investors is doing it because

a) it's run by brilliant unknown investor with a short track record desperate to find someone to believe in him (or her), who will likely reward you with outstanding performance. David Einhorn was once in this category.

or

b) it's a so-so fund that is poorly managed with a mediocre or non-existant track record and can't convince institutionals or smart money to invest or keep their money invested.

or

c) it's an outright scam.

If you are approached by a hedge fund, it's many more times likely that they are approaching you for reason B) than A). The less money they ask you for (and that you have) the more likely it's B or C.

[technologic]

i hope the SEC thing isn't retroactive...

[technologic]

i ended up investing in a fund of funds, not optimal i know, but better than just sitting in savings i suppose

[Scorpion Man]

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i hope the SEC thing isn't retroactive...

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I have said this before...but this thing is not a big deal. Just lie on the accredited investor form. Noone knows/cares.

[pig4bill]

Cool, best of luck with it.

Don't sweat the new proposed SEC rule. They just asked for public comment, and it usually takes several months after that to be enacted. Even then, they wouldn't make it retroactive.

[QuadLaser]

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It's not elitism. Its pretty standard from what I understand. The fund you listed is the exception, rather than the rule.

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Take some sardonicism in stride.

My point was, the guy is not who he claims to be. First off, hedge funds require a $1mil deposit due to SEC regulations (most likely to be raised to 2.5 in a recent SEC reg. overhaul, that includes tons of great news for the retail investor as far as margin codes, etc.) They do not require "some $2mil-ish". Furthermore, if you 'only' have 50k, you STILL can't start your 'own' hedge fund, due to the same regulation!

And do I need to point out most investors (nearly 30% of hedge fund assets are part of pension funds), DO seek out hedge funds? Not the other way around.

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I was just trying to help the OP understand that with $50k he is unlikely to be able to invest in any hedge fund.

[Mrk2Mrkt]

The level of misinformation in this thread is astonishing.

The relevant section is Rule 501 of The Securities Act of 1933:

Rule 501 -- Definitions and Terms Used in Regulation D

As used in Regulation D, the following terms shall have the meaning indicated:

1. Accredited investor. Accredited investor shall mean any person who comes within any of the following categories, or who the issuer reasonably believes comes within any of the following categories, at the time of the sale of the securities to that person:

1. Any bank as defined in section 3(a)(2) of the Act, or any savings and loan association or other institution as defined in section 3(a)(5)(A) of the Act whether acting in its individual or fiduciary capacity; any broker or dealer registered pursuant to section 15 of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934; any insurance company as defined in section 2(a)(13) of the Act; any investment company registered under the Investment Company Act of 1940 or a business development company as defined in section 2(a)(48) of that Act; any Small Business Investment Company licensed by the U.S. Small Business Administration under section 301(c) or (d) of the Small Business Investment Act of 1958; any plan established and maintained by a state, its political subdivisions, or any agency or instrumentality of a state or its political subdivisions, for the benefit of its employees, if such plan has total assets in excess of $5,000,000; any employee benefit plan within the meaning of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 if the investment decision is made by a plan fiduciary, as defined in section 3(21) of such act, which is either a bank, savings and loan association, insurance company, or registered investment adviser, or if the employee benefit plan has total assets in excess of $5,000,000 or, if a self-directed plan, with investment decisions made solely by persons that are accredited investors;

2. Any private business development company as defined in section 202(a)(22) of the Investment Advisers Act of 1940;

3. Any organization described in section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, corporation, Massachusetts or similar business trust, or partnership, not formed for the specific purpose of acquiring the securities offered, with total assets in excess of $5,000,000;

4. Any director, executive officer, or general partner of the issuer of the securities being offered or sold, or any director, executive officer, or general partner of a general partner of that issuer;

5. Any natural person whose individual net worth, or joint net worth with that person's spouse, at the time of his purchase exceeds $1,000,000;

6. Any natural person who had an individual income in excess of $200,000 in each of the two most recent years or joint income with that person's spouse in excess of $300,000 in each of those years and has a reasonable expectation of reaching the same income level in the current year;

7. Any trust, with total assets in excess of $5,000,000, not formed for the specific purpose of acquiring the securities offered, whose purchase is directed by a sophisticated person as described in Rule 506(b)(2)(ii) and

8. Any entity in which all of the equity owners are accredited investors.

2. Affiliate. An affiliate of, or person affiliated with, a specified person shall mean a person that directly, or indirectly through one or more intermediaries, controls or is controlled by, or is under common control with, the person specified.

3. Aggregate offering price. Aggregate offering price shall mean the sum of all cash, services, property, notes, cancellation of debt, or other consideration to be received by an issuer for issuance of its securities. Where securities are being offered for both cash and non-cash consideration, the aggregate offering price shall be based on the price at which the securities are offered for cash. Any portion of the aggregate offering price attributable to cash received in a foreign currency shall be translated into United States currency at the currency exchange rate in effect at a reasonable time prior to or on the date of the sale of the securities. If securities are not offered for cash, the aggregate offering price shall be based on the value of the consideration as established by bona fide sales of that consideration made within a reasonable time, or, in the absence of sales, on the fair value as determined by an accepted standard. Such valuations of non-cash consideration must be reasonable at the time made.

4. Business combination. Business combination shall mean any transaction of the type specified in paragraph (a) of Rule 145 under the Act and any transaction involving the acquisition by one issuer, in exchange for all or a part of its own or its parent's stock, of stock of another issuer if, immediately after the acquisition, the acquiring issuer has control of the other issuer (whether or not it had control before the acquisition).

5. Calculation of number of purchasers. For purposes of calculating the number of purchasers under Rule 505(b) and Rule 506(b) only, the following shall apply:

1. The following purchasers shall be excluded:

1. Any relative, spouse or relative of the spouse of a purchaser who has the same principal residence as the purchaser;

2. Any trust or estate in which a purchaser and any of the persons related to him as specified in paragraph (e)(1)(i) or (e)(1)(iii) of this section collectively have more than 50 percent of the beneficial interest (excluding contingent interests);

3. Any corporation or other organization of which a purchaser and any of the persons related to him as specified in paragraph (e)(1)(i) or (e)(1)(ii) of this section collectively are beneficial owners of more than 50 percent of the equity securities (excluding directors' qualifying shares) or equity interests; and

4. Any accredited investor.

2. A corporation, partnership or other entity shall be counted as one purchaser. If, however, that entity is organized for the specific purpose of acquiring the securities offered and is not an accredited investor under paragraph (a)8 of this section, then each beneficial owner of equity securities or equity interests in the entity shall count as a separate purchaser for all provisions of Regulation D, except to the extent provided in paragraph (e)1 of this section.

3. A non-contributory employee benefit plan within the meaning of Title I of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 shall be counted as one purchaser where the trustee makes all investment decisions for the plan.

6. Executive officer. Executive officer shall mean the president, any vice president in charge of a principal business unit, division or function (such as sales, administration orfinance), any other officer who performs a policy making function, or any other person who performs similar policy making functions for the issuer. Executive officers of subsidiaries may be deemed executive officers of the issuer if they perform such policy making functions for the issuer.

7. Issuer. The definition of the term issuer in section 2(a)(4) of the Act shall apply, except that in the case of a proceeding under the Federal Bankruptcy Code (11 U.S.C. 101 et seq.), the trustee or debtor in possession shall be considered the issuer in an offering under a plan or reorganization, if the securities are to be issued under the plan.

8. Purchaser representative. Purchaser representative shall mean any person who satisfies all of the following conditions or who the issuer reasonably believes satisfies all of the following conditions:

1. Is not an affiliate, director, officer or other employee of the issuer, or beneficial owner of 10 percent or more of any class of the equity securities or 10 percent or more of the equity interest in the issuer, except where the purchaser is:

1. A relative of the purchaser representative by blood, marriage or adoption and not more remote than a first cousin;

2. A trust or estate in which the purchaser representative and any persons related to him as specified in paragraph (h)(1)(i) or (h)1(iii) of this section collectively have more than 50 percent of the beneficial interest (excluding contingent interest) or of which the purchaser representative serves as trustee, executor, or in any similar capacity; or

3. A corporation or other organization of which the purchaser representative and any persons related to him as specified in paragraph (h)(1)(i) or (h)(1)(ii) of this section collectively are the beneficial owners of more than 50 percent of the equity securities (excluding directors' qualifying shares) or equity interests;

2. Has such knowledge and experience in financial and business matters that he is capable of evaluating, alone, or together with other purchaser representatives of the purchaser, or together with the purchaser, the merits and risks of the prospective investment;

3. Is acknowledged by the purchaser in writing, during the course of the transaction, to be his purchaser representative in connection with evaluating the merits and risks of the prospective investment; and

4. Discloses to the purchaser in writing a reasonable time prior to the sale of securities to that purchaser any material relationship between himself or his affiliates and the issuer or its affiliates that then exists, that is mutually understood to be contemplated, or that has existed at any time during the previous two years, and any compensation received or to be received as a result of such relationship.

Note 1: A person acting as a purchaser representative should consider the applicability of the registration and antifraud provisions relating to brokers and dealers under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (Exchange Act) and relating to investment advisers under the Investment Advisers Act of 1940.

Note 2: The acknowledgment required by paragraph (h)(3) and the disclosure required by paragraph (h)(4) of this section must be made with specific reference to each prospective investment. Advance blanket acknowledgment, such as for all securities transactions or all private placements, is not sufficient.

Note 3: Disclosure of any material relationships between the purchaser representative or his affiliates and the issuer or its affiliates does not relieve the purchaser representative of his obligation to act in the interest of the purchaser.

[Scorpion Man]

Your information about individuals (the only part of the long paste you made that anyone here cares about) is about to be obsolete.

Washington, D.C., Dec. 13, 2006 — The Commission today voted to propose several new rules that are intended to provide additional protections to investors in hedge funds and other pooled investment vehicles.

The proposals include the following:

* Antifraud Provision under the Investment Advisers Act of 1940. The proposal would make it a fraudulent, deceptive, or manipulative act, practice, or course of business for an investment adviser to a pooled investment vehicle to make false or misleading statements or to otherwise defraud investors or prospective investors in that pool. The rule would apply to all investment advisers to pooled investment vehicles, regardless of whether the adviser is registered under the Advisers Act. Under the proposed rule, a pooled investment vehicle would include any investment company and any company that would be an investment company but for the exclusions in sections 3(c)(1) or 3(c)(7) of the Investment Company Act.

* Amendments to Private Offering Rules under the Securities Act of 1933. The proposals would define a new category of accredited investor that would apply to offers and sales of securities issued by hedge funds and other private investment pools to natural persons. The proposed definition would include any natural person who (a) meets either the net worth test or income test specified in rule 501(a) or rule 215, as applicable, and (b) owns at least $2.5 million in investments, as defined in the proposed rules.