100nl - retardo hand with 2 overs + fd

[Hince]

I would fold now. I like the play so far. If we had AKs I would me more likely to shove as all of our outs are probably clean.

[mason55]

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I would fold now. I like the play so far. If we had AKs I would me more likely to shove as all of our outs are probably clean.

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I think KQ is less likely to be reverse dominated at this point than AK.

ie If he's going nuts with A9 it's better to have KQ than AK.

[bilbo-san]

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good so far..now i fold. sure you could have his worse draw dominated but you have literally 0 fold equity after you just called BB's lead.

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This type of donk is raising just a 9 here a lot. I think you have a ton of equity against his range and don't really need fold equity.

[luckbox666]

Not much FE, but reasonable to push here. Plenty of outs (or the best hand).

[bilbo-san]

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I push here.
I also raise when BB bets into me.

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I prefer to float BB's lead, not just with draws but a lot of hands. If you get overcalls here that's fine. I'd raise here with a lot of made hands and with some air.

I'd rather raise with AK than with a good draw (on this 3-way flop) if I was going to bluff raise, because I don't really want to get 3-bet by the BB on this flop with this hand (your equity isn't hot at ALL then).

Once I play with BB longer, and if I know he leads weak, then I raise a lot more hands.

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good points. I assume donk leads are weak as a default and if the guy bet/3bets I make a note.

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But isn't it better to test this theory with air than with a good draw?

[carrotsnake]

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[Hince]

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I would fold now. I like the play so far. If we had AKs I would me more likely to shove as all of our outs are probably clean.

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I think KQ is less likely to be reverse dominated at this point than AK.

ie If he's going nuts with A9 it's better to have KQ than AK.

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That's a good point. I'm not sure what I do now...

[mason55]

bilbo -

One argument for raising this flop is that if the A high FD is out there I might push it out. I guess the downside is that I push out worse flush draws. I wonder which is more important.

Another plus side for calling is that maybe we could get in 3 way against a pair + set or pair + straight draw or something and have tons of equity.

[Requin]

Small FDs folding is more important, esp. since people don't like folding NFDs

[bilbo-san]

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bilbo -

One argument for raising this flop is that if the A high FD is out there I might push it out. I guess the downside is that I push out worse flush draws. I wonder which is more important.

Another plus side for calling is that maybe we could get in 3 way against a pair + set or pair + straight draw or something and have tons of equity.

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Given the players involved, the nut flush draw is never folding here lol.

Consider:

1) if BB has it, he's b/3bing it or at least bet/calling it -- no one leads the nfd with the intention of folding. TAGgy players c/r with it, b/3b with it, and bad players c/c with it, b/call with it, and aggro donks c/r or b/3b it. Literally no one uses a bet/fold line with the NFD.

2) if CO has it. Dude's 60/11. The NFD is like, the top of his range. Lol @ the idea of him folding that.

Pushing out worse draws is not important here because it just never happens.

There is some merit to raising to generate fold equity on the turn or river vs. the NFD, this is true, but I wouldn't want to try that in a 3-way pot, because if BB calls here it's a smaller part of his range, and in general I'd like to know a lot about a player's tendencies so that you can reliably put them on a hand like that before trying an elaborate bluff.