33$ - Early BvB AJs

sence25 · #1 11-12-2007, 03:25 PM

Hi, is this too aggro?
This should look incredibly strong to him and I still have some outs.
Flopbet seems to be too big.
Apart from that, how you play this?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (10 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP1 (t2000)
MP2 (t2120)
MP3 (t1960)
CO (t2000)
Button (t1960)
Hero (t1960)
BB (t2000)
UTG (t2000)
UTG+1 (t2000)
UTG+2 (t2000)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
8 folds, Hero raises to t120, BB calls t80.

Flop: (t240) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t208, BB calls t208.

Turn: (t656) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t360, Hero pushes [t1652]

Jaqrabbit · #2 11-12-2007, 03:58 PM

I make it 150 on the flop, then check/call the turn.

This looks a lot to me like he's got top pair or an overpair. And while your play looks very strong, what hands does he put you on? Any set just turned a boat (or quads, in the case of 33), and so would not try to chase someone off the flush draw. The shove doesn't really look like a bare draw (although it is). He probably doesn't give you credit for a 3, since very few 3's raise it up pre (maybe A3s?). So basically, this looks like either a bluff or a semi-bluff (maybe pair w/ FD, or a combo draw). I can see JJ+ or a solid T (AT,KT,JTs) calling here easily, 99 is less likely but still possible, and of course any set or better calls. So I'd say yes, this is a little too aggro.

On the other hand, if you hit the flush on the river, the third club may well kill action from any 2 pair hand. I think maybe a small-ish bet on the turn (just under half pot?) may be the best play here, and then you can get it in on a club/ace river, or try the bluff there.

vers · #3 11-12-2007, 05:13 PM

I'm betting half pot or so on the turn as well. A CR doesn't really make any sense and looks pretty transparently like a draw IMO.

MikeMcQ1 · #4 11-12-2007, 05:21 PM

I like a smaller flop bet (which would be the same if I had a made hand), and a second barrel on the turn. I don't personally think the c/r is horrible, but it would prolly be more read dependent for me.

AMT · #5 11-12-2007, 06:20 PM

a c/r does makes your hand look like a draw or a big made hand but people are dumb and i think you maintain the most FE by leading again on the turn. also, if he calls the turn you always get paid on the river when you hit because all of your outs are so sexy and hidden.