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check/call 1 8.33%
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  #2651  
Old 11-26-2007, 04:46 PM
DevinLake DevinLake is offline
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Default Re: STTF SNG->cash thread

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That 4 is basically a blank. The c/c flop, lead a blank turn is usually weak. I'd call and let him bluff the river.


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Does that mean you would call the shove when the river is the J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]? Is that an easy call for you with no further read other than the HUD stats?

I'm just wondering because I felt like with no further read I would make a tough fold in that spot but it's so close I'm not really sure. I'm kind of wondering if it's a snap call type of situation for you or a "grit your teeth" borderline call that goes either way depending on reads.

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no, I'd fold to a shove. I'm very exploitable if ur a donk, you can over bet shove bluff me all day long.

edit: looking back at stack sizes, a shove really isn't an overbet. So, yea, I'd call a tonne of rivers. I'd fold if a 7/8 or a spade hit the river. An A would be tough case Axss just got there.

I'd also value bet a lot if checked to.
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:00 PM
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Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $97.65
UTG+1: $49.75
CO: $103.50
Hero: $98.50
SB: $145.85
BB: $114.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $5</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($16, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $12</font>, SB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($40, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $12</font>, Hero ???

SB is 25/8/3.0 over 150 hands.

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Does anyone want to raise?
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:06 PM
DevinLake DevinLake is offline
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Does anyone want to raise?

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If ur happy to get it in to a 3-bet shove, u can raise.
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:13 PM
Slim Pickens Slim Pickens is offline
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Does anyone want to raise?

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If ur happy to get it in to a 3-bet shove, u can raise.

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I think that much is obvious. I just might be interested in getting it in against a draw + weak made hand that isn't as far ahead as it thinks it is. ...trying to balance that with how often am I just spewing against what I should know is a better hand a lot of the time.
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:34 PM
K䲰䮥n K䲰䮥n is offline
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How this PF call vs the suspected maniac?

original raiser is unknown, 3bettor is 40/30 over 30 hands, his first 3bet.

http://www.holdemranger.com/realtime.html
NL Holdem $1(BB) I-Poker Game#737144321

Firetribe ($99)
grolomo ($103.10)
TQ80 ($100.90)
Funkym0nk ($124.70)
GeeFD ($98.90)
Smaragd12 ($107.30)

Firetribe posts (SB) $0.50
grolomo posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Ad Kd
TQ80 raises to $4
Funkym0nk raises to $12
fold, fold, call, fold, fold,

FLOP ($29) Jh 5c 4h
check,
Funkym0nk bets $16
Firetribe folds

Funkym0nk wins $43.55
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:46 PM
K䲰䮥n K䲰䮥n is offline
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Villain is unpredictabe LAG. Few hands earlier hero was caught on bluff, though the spot was different.

SickManiac ($101)
Firetribe ($114.25)
Whammie22 ($114.55)
MURIBE ($29.53)
666RAY666 ($200.18)

SickManiac posts (SB) $0.50
Firetribe posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Ts 9s
fold, fold,
666RAY666 raises to $3
fold, call,

FLOP ($6.50) Qd Ks 8s
check,
666RAY666 bets $4
Firetribe raises to $19.50
666RAY666 raises all-in to $193.18
Me?
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Old 11-26-2007, 06:15 PM
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Villain is unpredictabe LAG. Few hands earlier hero was caught on bluff, though the spot was different.

SickManiac ($101)
Firetribe ($114.25)
Whammie22 ($114.55)
MURIBE ($29.53)
666RAY666 ($200.18)

SickManiac posts (SB) $0.50
Firetribe posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Ts 9s
fold, fold,
666RAY666 raises to $3
fold, call,

FLOP ($6.50) Qd Ks 8s
check,
666RAY666 bets $4
Firetribe raises to $19.50
666RAY666 raises all-in to $193.18
Me?

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Fold preflop. I dont like playing suited connectors out of position period (calling a raise), let alone against an unpredictable lag.

As played this flop is a good one with your hand, but Its a tough spot. You have a couple of non-nut draws so I'd let it go because it costs too much to call.
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Old 11-26-2007, 06:17 PM
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Does anyone want to raise?

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I pretty much always raise there. I almost always see a draw or weak top pair when they donk the turn like that.
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Old 11-26-2007, 06:23 PM
K䲰䮥n K䲰䮥n is offline
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Villain is unpredictabe LAG. Few hands earlier hero was caught on bluff, though the spot was different.

SickManiac ($101)
Firetribe ($114.25)
Whammie22 ($114.55)
MURIBE ($29.53)
666RAY666 ($200.18)

SickManiac posts (SB) $0.50
Firetribe posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Ts 9s
fold, fold,
666RAY666 raises to $3
fold, call,

FLOP ($6.50) Qd Ks 8s
check,
666RAY666 bets $4
Firetribe raises to $19.50
666RAY666 raises all-in to $193.18
Me?

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Fold preflop. I dont like playing suited connectors out of position period (calling a raise), let alone against an unpredictable lag.

As played this flop is a good one with your hand, but Its a tough spot. You have a couple of non-nut draws so I'd let it go because it costs too much to call.

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Why the [censored] did I call? I've been talking to microbet on AIM. You cant get alzheimers via AIM can you?
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Old 11-26-2007, 06:48 PM
Josem Josem is offline
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Default Re: STTF SNG->cash thread

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How this PF call vs the suspected maniac?


Firetribe posts (SB) $0.50
grolomo posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Ad Kd
TQ80 raises to $4
Funkym0nk raises to $12
fold, fold, call, fold, fold,


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I think you either need to re-raise or fold AK from the SB here vs a re-raise.


If you're behind villain's range, you obviously should fold.

If you're ahead of villain's range, you still have a chunk of fold equity, and you need to see all 5 cards to be strong vs QQ-99, which has a good chance of being a chunk of their range.
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