Couple of strange hands from $5k 5diamond

[adanthar]

1)I just kinda vaguely dislike every street here and have the most issues with the flop/turn combo. I think, having c/c'd the flop, betting the turn this deep to try to get all of it in is a must. having gotten there *this* way, 86/64 are a not-insignificant part of his range because he's a live clown, so I just call the river.

2's fine imo if you're looking to max variance but max pot size...the old guy being in on the flop is probably not a real bad thing with your equity here.

[mikeJ]

Hand 1: I had to check the board 4-5 times. Agree w/ everyone else.

Hand 2: I think you should raise first time around too. You get looked up very often by ape, unless he has another flush draw. I wouldn't think he's ever bluffing on flop and the very very worst hand he might have is JT, which he will probably call with. Your hand is never bigger than AJ with this line, and even that you prob either jam or fold on flop (and probably raise first time around). Your hand looks exactly like what it is, a combo draw that's trying to max FE. You're jamming two pair/sets/straights and there are like no 7x hands in your range. Raise first time around > Raise 2nd time around > call flop, jam turn.

[Todd Terry]

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having gotten there *this* way, 86/64 are a not-insignificant part of his range because he's a live clown

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I don't think there's a live player in the universe making a pot-sized bet on the flop into 2 people with either of these gutshot draws.

Edit: And 64 = 6-high on the river.

[adanthar]

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having gotten there *this* way, 86/64 are a not-insignificant part of his range because he's a live clown

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I don't think there's a live player in the universe making a pot-sized bet on the flop into 2 people with either of these gutshot draws.

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I'm rethinking this/you might be right, but I would never get there this way tbh so it's hard to judge.

[TheNewf]

1st hand looks good, either that or lead the turn. 2nd hand you need to shove the flop even if you have no fold equity so he can't get away when you make your hand and since you can occasionally be ahead (or have so many outs you're a favourite anyways).

[celticslegend]

i dont think either of these hands are too tricky, hand 1 preflop is whatever i wouldn't limp but i suppose its not bad, river is obv.
hand 2 agree with everyone just raise and get it in at some point