AK makes TPTK and faces donk bet on turn

[HouseCalls]

Donk bettor is 77/7.8/.8 after 77 hands - he has 7BB left after his bet
Donk bet caller is 45/1.4/1.4 after 71 - she has 6BB left after her call

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">BB bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero??

What's your play and your plan for the river?

[bellatrix]

Raise it up, too much value with one more person in there! If 3-bet, probably call down. If called bet/call on a fairly non-threatening river.

[Sushiglutton]

Since he could have almost any two-pair or straight we may well be beaten. He may also picked up FD but doesn't seem like a player donking that into 3 opps. We also have the gut-shot 'problem'. If he 3-bet we can't really fold even if we feel extremely beat. Perhaps I'm weak but I would just call. Too many things could happen on the river.

[Point Blank]

OK ... clearly both these guy suck

against these guys raising isn't a bad option - mainly because they can play like this with such a wide range of holdings (I can't even imagine)
donker ... and board hit, any on the come hand, a 5 hit, hell an Ace-UI ... and of course and solid hand that he has no idea how to play

the caller can also have a wide range of hands ... if donker 3bet - i easily call down (this is complete crap so often)

now on the river after donker 3bet turn ... if middle retard raises (I could find a fold depending on the card - like a 3 or something)

hell ... I've had a guy do this with K2 and he called down - and other guy 3bet middle pair

[Landonfan]

I call because I run bad and expect Passive McUberfish to immediately 3ball me should I raise.

HU, this is an easy raise, but a lp donking the field is a huge hand way more often than you think. I'm tempted to raise, but I think I just call down.

[HouseCalls]

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I call because I run bad and expect Passive McUberfish to immediately 3ball me should I raise.


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Sadly this accurately summarizes my thought process on this hand.

Seriously I think with a donker and a caller one of them is likely to have a hand and not one that I want to fold to if its 3-bet.

[OX45AL]

[Grouching]
Since thier VPIP is so high they could have any thing, a Set, 63, a draw. with that range i say call, call. If is checked to you on the river bet it.

[OziBattler]

seems weak but I'd just call it down. I doubt this is a bluff and i dont want to get owned for extra bets. on the flip side this probably is random 2 pair very often so we have decent (including hidden) outs that I guess could be used in a case for raising. if villian is position aware then it could even be a set or straight even though lots of donks love to CR with those hands regardless of relative position.

so call down, see what he donks, play more hands, profit

[neurotiq]

I'd call down. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[milesdyson]

his hand likely improved on the 5. anything that improved on that 5 usually beats you. you can't fold to a 3-bet because pot will be big enough to chase your gutshot.

--&gt; call twice