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10-13-2007, 07:01 PM
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donked on very scary turn by one of the best
villain here is one of the best, a very good adaptive hand reading LAGTAG.
not really sure of what his read on me is since we don't play together much. in a recent session he won 2 pots from me without showdown in spots where he should know I was folding a pair Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $10/$20 5 players Converter Pre-flop: (5 players) yourface is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">yourface 3-bets</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO caps</font>, yourface calls. Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9.5SB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">yourface raises</font>, CO calls. Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.75BB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, ???? also I was going to check back the turn if he checked to me, what do you think of that? 
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#2
10-13-2007, 07:07 PM
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Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best
I think it's a fold. Too many times will he have Ax compared to any middle pair of 1010/88/77/55/33/22 that you beat. I really think king or queen high is out of the question for your read on him, so I fold here and wait for a better spot.
Checking if he checked behind you would be fine for me. See what the river is and go from there, if it's nothing scary, then I bet or call down.
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#5
10-13-2007, 08:13 PM
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Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best
what's his capping range? if it's AK,AQs,TT+ then you are only winning against TT.
TT - 6 combos (add 0.5 combos for JJ since we split) AA - 3 combos QQ,KK - 12 combos AK - 12 combos AQs - 3 combos 6.5 worse combos and 30 better ones. you will have to pay 2BB to win 8.75, so it's 1:4.38 on a 1:4.61 shot. even if he bets his whole range twice you don't have a profitable call-down. and the call-down becomes even worse if he (correctly) gives up on some portion of his bluffs.
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#6
10-13-2007, 08:15 PM
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Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best
[ QUOTE ]
what's his capping range? if it's AK,AQs,TT+ then you are only winning against TT. TT - 6 combos (add 0.5 combos for JJ since we split) AA - 3 combos QQ,KK - 12 combos AK - 12 combos AQs - 3 combos 6.5 worse combos and 30 better ones. you will have to pay 2BB to win 8.75, so it's 1:4.38 on a 1:4.61 shot. even if he bets his whole range you don't have a profitable call-down. [/ QUOTE ] waaaay to tight He was good. Not a nit [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#7
10-13-2007, 08:17 PM
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Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best
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waaaay to tight He was good. Not a nit [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] ok let's add 99 and AQo. then we are really screwed [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] btw, what do you think is a good capping range in this situation. i think i've been a nit since the range i gave is pretty much my capping range.
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#8
10-13-2007, 08:17 PM
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Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best
Maybe he uses b/c line with AX and b/f with pp in this spot, so if you think he can fold QQ,KK raise/fold to represent A9 AA 99 is an option.
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#9
10-13-2007, 08:21 PM
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Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best
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btw, what do you think is a good capping range in this situation. i think i've been a nit since the range i gave is pretty much my capping range. [/ QUOTE ] Villain is Co and yourface OTB right? Well yourface is 3-balling me with a [censored]. So something a LOT wider than what you mentioned. 66'ish KJs, KQo, A9s, AJo, QJs, JTs, T9s should all enter with positive prob IMO
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#10
10-13-2007, 08:28 PM
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Re: donked on very scary turn by one of the best
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] btw, what do you think is a good capping range in this situation. i think i've been a nit since the range i gave is pretty much my capping range. [/ QUOTE ] Villain is Co and yourface OTB right? Well yourface is 3-balling me with a [censored]. So something a LOT wider than what you mentioned. 66'ish KJs, KQo, A9s, AJo, QJs, JTs, T9s should all enter with positive prob IMO [/ QUOTE ] Oink, you're play is tilting me and we have never played.
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