QQ rd. 1 WSOP double shootout

betgo · #1 03-17-2007, 09:34 PM

We will proceed in stages.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1620)
MP2 (t1650)
MP3 (t1410)
Hero (t1470)
Button (t1360)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1510)
UTG (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises to t60, 1 fold, Hero ???

Bakes · #2 03-17-2007, 09:50 PM

175 or call, 175 is certainly fine if he's an unknown.

if he's a regular and knows you, then I just call because I feel that QQ is at the bottom of my reraising range here (I would just call JJ and AK).

hamnegger · #3 03-17-2007, 10:16 PM

250 to go

betgo · #4 03-17-2007, 10:21 PM

OK, let's see a flop.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1620)
MP2 (t1650)
MP3 (t1410)
Hero (t1470)
Button (t1360)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1510)
UTG (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises to t60, 1 fold, Hero raises to t180, Button calls t180, 2 folds, MP2 calls t120.

Flop: (t570) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero ???

TCA · #5 03-17-2007, 10:23 PM

I think either calling or raising is fine here. I probably lean slightly towards the raise because I dont want to let 3 behind in cheap etc. So I probably make it about 180 - 200, I welcome just MP2 coming in and playing the flop. If MP2 had raised more preflop (80-100) then Id probably just call.

TCA · #6 03-17-2007, 10:30 PM

I think you have to bet here. They could both have pps, which are almost certainly lower than yours, but obviously a lot of hands in MP2s range will contain an Ace. I think the button is much less likely to have an A, I think his range will probably be medium pp and AK. Make it about 220-60 and hope just button calls.

Bakes · #7 03-17-2007, 10:38 PM

i check and probably fold this flop

betgo · #8 03-17-2007, 11:09 PM

Now the turn.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1620)
MP2 (t1650)
MP3 (t1410)
Hero (t1470)
Button (t1360)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1510)
UTG (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises to t60, 1 fold, Hero raises to t180, Button calls t180, 2 folds, MP2 calls t120.

Flop: (t570) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t570) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero ???

Bakes · #9 03-17-2007, 11:16 PM

meh, i can see throwing out 250 there but your [censored] if you get raised, there are no free cards to worry about cuz i doubt KQ is out there.

check

Nate. · #10 03-17-2007, 11:30 PM

Bakes --

I think that's a little too weak. Pocket pairs will play with you. This spot is susceptible to some pretty serious mathematical analysis, if there are any expert game theorists in the audience, but anyway you're probably getting one bet out of JJ-TT and maybe 99 or in the hands of the right guy something much lower. Might as well bet it now in case he wants to go too far with his hand. I doubt KK is out there and while an ace is an obvious definite possibility I think the chances we get more value from a smaller pair outweighs the possible playing disadvantages we face if raised (possibly calling with worse or folding better).

--Nate