NL10 67o Monster Flop with the Dreaded Turn

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I think I butchered this hand something fierce. I'm just going to post the whole hand and let you have at it.

BB is loose passive. 33/7/.7 over 120

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CO ($18.57)
Button ($4.26)
Hero ($11.99)
BB ($6.36)
UTG ($9.96)
UTG+1 ($8.95)
UTG+2 ($7.15)
MP1 ($5.84)
MP2 ($4.65)
MP3 ($2.77)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.40) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.4</font>, BB calls $0.40, MP2 folds, CO folds.

Turn: ($1.20) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.8</font>, BB calls $0.80.

River: ($2.80) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $0.9</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $3.70

[Backinblue]

Easy fold. He chased his nut flush draw or something and hit it on the turn and is valuebetting the river.

[flytrap]

I know this sounds nitty, but I basically never complete with hands like this in the SB. Position is so big in NL, that I'd WAAAAYYYY rather pay a BB in late position than half a bet in the SB. That being said, betting the flop is fine, but I'd check and fold the turn.

[chriz300]

Preflop: ok
Flop: Bet stronger and prepare to fold when a significant raise comes up
Turn: difficult. i would just check and see what villian does.
River: bad news for you. just fold

[Rocco]

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I know this sounds nitty, but I basically never complete with hands like this in the SB. Position is so big in NL, that I'd WAAAAYYYY rather pay a BB in late position than half a bet in the SB. That being said, betting the flop is fine, but I'd check and fold the turn.

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OK, I really need an explanation here. What hands do you complete if not these? I mean, they can either flop you something nice (like two pair or trips) or a monster (like straights), or you'll totally miss the flop and throw away. Is everyone around just as nitty? With a couple of limpers, I complete connectors everyday and twice on Sundays.

[Wizzawig]

It depends on the table but I certainly don't mind completing with two limpers here.

Flop is fine.

Turn I would check, I don't think most passive opponents are betting without a heart. If he checks behind I would bet/fold the river.

It feels as if he's got a pair and a smallish heart here and he isn't laying it down.

[Albert Moulton]

I think I'd have checked the turn and river, and folded to anything other than a min-bet on either street.

Once the 4th heart hits, he has to worry that YOU have a big heart and are slow playing unless, of course, HE has the big heart. So, if he bets anything other than the min on turn or river, you can fold.

No need to "rep" a heart OOP on the turn, or "protect" your straight. The board will protect you if this loose-passive villain doesn't have a heart since he'll be worried that you've got one.

Oh, and flopping a straight on a 3-flush board isn't really a monster. If anything, it can be an invitation to disaster if you get a lot of action behind you from a LP like the villiain in this hand.

[Albert Moulton]

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I know this sounds nitty, but I basically never complete with hands like this in the SB. Position is so big in NL, that I'd WAAAAYYYY rather pay a BB in late position than half a bet in the SB. That being said, betting the flop is fine, but I'd check and fold the turn.

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OK, I really need an explanation here. What hands do you complete if not these? I mean, they can either flop you something nice (like two pair or trips) or a monster (like straights), or you'll totally miss the flop and throw away. Is everyone around just as nitty? With a couple of limpers, I complete connectors everyday and twice on Sundays.

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I complete the SB in all kinds of limped pots, and then I bet out with any draw while the pot is small and either take it down, or build a nice pot in case I hit the turn, or fold if I'm raised. The combination works pretty well. Just don't fire more than one bullet if you get called on the flop and miss the turn.

And if I just flop TP or something, and the pair is low, then I just c/f. If I have a hand like 96o in SB that flops a 9-high top pair in an unraised pot, then that isn't even worth a stab unless I also have a draw to a straight to back it up.

I think 54o is fine to complete, and fine to bet out with here.

I'd stop after that, however, and c/f the turn and river.

[flytrap]

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I know this sounds nitty, but I basically never complete with hands like this in the SB. Position is so big in NL, that I'd WAAAAYYYY rather pay a BB in late position than half a bet in the SB. That being said, betting the flop is fine, but I'd check and fold the turn.

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OK, I really need an explanation here. What hands do you complete if not these? I mean, they can either flop you something nice (like two pair or trips) or a monster (like straights), or you'll totally miss the flop and throw away. Is everyone around just as nitty? With a couple of limpers, I complete connectors everyday and twice on Sundays.

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I'm not saying that completing is terrible here, in fact in might even be correct. It's just that with two small cards like this, there aren't that many flops you're going to like. You're also out of position, so it's tougher to extract if you do get a nice flop. Also, draws play poorly in NL out of position, and you're going to flop a draw rather than a made hand more often with connectors. I'll limp 67o on the button in a limped pot most of the time, even if I fold in the SB. I'd rather complete with something like J9o since I have a bit bigger cards and I can feel better if I flop top pair. With 67o flopping a pair isn't usually enough to win.