*** Official NY Mets Our OFFSEASON Has Come Thread ***

[Needle77]

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According to ESPN, Mets stated that they will not fire Willie Randolph.

I'm sure that he's on a short leash though.

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I think Omar is going to be on the WFAN at 2:00 today and will make an official statement. Hopefully it is a stern one at that. My only concern about Willie is the fact that the players did not respond to him when they needed to. Managers are going to make dumb mistakes, but they need to have the players on their side, and I just didn't see it while watching the games.

But, to be fair, it didn't matter who was in that dugout for the last month, the pitchers just underperformed tremendously.

[Suigin406]

weird, i always got the impression that willie was a 'player's manager' and felt his laid back demeanor would fit well with the vets on the team imo...

true, he didn't fire up the team, but that's his style, i always thought big time antics were to fire up younger teams to rally them and wouldn't be as effective with an older team...i do think the players are on his side and they will play hard for him next season...

true, the players didn't seem to respond to him at all late, but jesus, with so many vets, this shouldn't be as big an issue imo...

hated him for using mota, but i can't seem to put as much blame on him for the other stuff tbh, blaming the coach for getting ur ass kicked by the nationals seems dumb to me

[Suigin406]

btw, since schoenwuss allegedly used roids, if this can be confirmed/proven, can the mets terminate the contract coz that really is the only thing keeping him around, i saw u guys mention his stats were good on the road or something and he did pick it up a bit later on in the season, but this guy was truly awful from the beginning to the middle of the season

[Needle77]

Suigin,

To steal from Matt Cerrone(mostly because I agree with him) Willie's attitude at the end of the season killed the Mets. I feel like the laid back attitude gave this false sense of security. The Mets were falling, and falling fast, and all anyone heard from Randolph was that they were trying hard and there is always tomorrow.

Thats ok when you are in the midst of a losing streak in June, but it was September, crunch time, and there was no sense of urgency. Their might have been in the locker room, hell I hope there was, but I didn't see it on the field or in the interviews.

Another thing that makes me question Willie is, when Delgado came out in early September and said something like, "we are so talented we get bored sometimes." What the hell? Delgado is a leader on this team and that is what he says? The team seemed out of Willie's control in September, and to me, thats a huge deal.

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Whats the over under on the Mets signing Pudge? Any way that does not happen?

What roles if any will the big 4 have next year? (Humber, Pelfrey, Milledge & Gomez) Do any of them have any trade value left at all?

Any SPs the Mets might aim for? Either on the high end or low end?

[metsandfinsfan]

mets will sign linebrink

[metsandfinsfan]

they will not sign pudge

[metsandfinsfan]

there is not one starting pitcher on that list worth signing

[Suigin406]

the SP's are not good at all this offseason, they'll need to pay out to relievers to try to fix the overuse problems...

plz don't bring pudge in here...

there's still a lot of value in our prospects imo, but this pitching is so old that we may need to just roll the dice with them rather than trade them away for more vets...no way do they have the chips to get a frontline starter from the cash strapped twins or whatever other team...

[censored] pelfrey better come through next year and obviously i want to see what humber can do in an expanded role...

not so sure about milledge, for sure the guy has a ton of talent, but damnit, he's so stupid at times and it makes it hard to root for him...

i want to see more gomez as well

[metsandfinsfan]

gomez cannot hit .. i think he is a lifetime 4th outfielder and would not hesitate to trade him