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10-12-2007, 11:14 AM
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Downswinging, looking for post flop examination/criticism
Apologies for the long post. I am frustrated and just want to get this posted. Thanks for any and all help.
1.) villain is fasteddie267 a known winning player at 2/4 probably about 20/15. I have been floating him with some success and i know he views me as a weak player. I know I should fold preflop here so lets just focus on post flop. Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (UTG): $623.65 CO: $394 BTN: $427 SB: $385.70 BB: $525.70 Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG) <font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, CO calls $16, BTN calls $16, SB folds, BB calls $12 Flop: ($66) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $48</font>, Hero calls $48, CO folds, BTN calls $48 Turn: ($210) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $136</font>, Hero calls $136, BTN folds River: ($482) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $325.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero ??? 2.) 5/10 deep and i turn boat in re-raised pot. how best to proceed? villain is lag/tag with 22/19/2 numbers over about 100 hands Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter CO: $2,030.55 BTN: $185 SB: $1,291 Hero (BB): $1,418.75 UTG: $2,461.75 Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) <font color="red">UTG raises to $40</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $30 Flop: ($85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $90</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $225</font>, UTG calls $135 Turn: ($535) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $400</font>, Hero? 3.) 5/10 tpgk against call/call ... is a value bet too thin here villain is a retard 35/28 and makes weird moves all the time Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter SB: $2,191.55 BB: $996 UTG: $1,022 MP: $200 Hero (CO): $1,046.75 BTN: $3,081.75 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $30</font>, Hero calls $30, BTN calls $30, SB calls $25, BB calls $20 Flop: ($150) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players) SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $100</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $100, 2 folds Turn: ($350) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $200</font>, SB calls $200 River: ($750) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, Hero ??? 4.) villain is good TAG (19/17/1.8) and I am not sure how to proceed here. I just flat PF b/c anything else would be too strong against him. I think the flop and turn calls are automatic b/c of the dry board here. I would rather call in poistion b/c a raise only folds out hands I beat. What the heck do I do on the river ? Villain is Lyric and I have him at 19/17. my image has to be tight at this point. Poker Stars, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BTN: $776.60 SB: $696.70 BB: $545.20 UTG: $600 Hero (MP): $614.10 CO: $312.15 Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $72</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $48 Flop: ($150) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $78</font>, Hero calls $78 Turn: ($306) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $180</font>, Hero calls $180 River: ($666) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $366.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero ??? 
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#2
10-12-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: Downswinging, looking for post flop examination/criticism
1) i doubt he leads into 4 people and 3 barrel as a bluff here.
2) check raise all in on turn sounds fine. 3) easy bet 4) I would prob raise all in turn but arg since u played it that way i prob call
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#3
10-12-2007, 11:22 AM
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Re: Downswinging, looking for post flop examination/criticism
Hand 1) Gotta call down now as played he could value bet worse.
Hand 3) Would either 3 bet or fold pf dont wanna be playing hands like this multi way. As played gotta bet river again unless youve got the nittiest image ever. Hand 4) Get it in somewhere, I like flop but definitely on turn.
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#4
10-12-2007, 11:31 AM
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Re: Downswinging, looking for post flop examination/criticism
[ QUOTE ]
1.) villain is fasteddie267 a known winning player at 2/4 probably about 20/15. I have been floating him with some success and i know he views me as a weak player. I know I should fold preflop here so lets just focus on post flop. Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (UTG): $623.65 CO: $394 BTN: $427 SB: $385.70 BB: $525.70 Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG) <font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, CO calls $16, BTN calls $16, SB folds, BB calls $12 Flop: ($66) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $48</font>, Hero calls $48, CO folds, BTN calls $48 Turn: ($210) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $136</font>, Hero calls $136, BTN folds River: ($482) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $325.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero ??? [/ QUOTE ] Can you actually fold here? I don't think I could but geez he's donking into 4 guys on a dry board. He's not doing this with QJ or JT ever, so wtf does he have that you beat? I don't know the guy. Against a random calclalcalcclall. [ QUOTE ] 2.) 5/10 deep and i turn boat in re-raised pot. how best to proceed? villain is lag/tag with 22/19/2 numbers over about 100 hands Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter CO: $2,030.55 BTN: $185 SB: $1,291 Hero (BB): $1,418.75 UTG: $2,461.75 Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) <font color="red">UTG raises to $40</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $30 Flop: ($85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $90</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $225</font>, UTG calls $135 Turn: ($535) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $400</font>, Hero? [/ QUOTE ] Getting it in here is fine I think. I'd probably just bet the turn, you'd bet if you c/red the flop as a bluff wouldn't you? [ QUOTE ] 3.) 5/10 tpgk against call/call ... is a value bet too thin here villain is a retard 35/28 and makes weird moves all the time Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter SB: $2,191.55 BB: $996 UTG: $1,022 MP: $200 Hero (CO): $1,046.75 BTN: $3,081.75 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $30</font>, Hero calls $30, BTN calls $30, SB calls $25, BB calls $20 Flop: ($150) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players) SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $100</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $100, 2 folds Turn: ($350) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $200</font>, SB calls $200 River: ($750) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, Hero ??? [/ QUOTE ] If his wtsd is high and he doesn't c/r the river much no I don't think it's too thin he has KT or KJ and calls all day. [ QUOTE ] 4.) villain is good TAG (19/17/1.8) and I am not sure how to proceed here. I just flat PF b/c anything else would be too strong against him. I think the flop and turn calls are automatic b/c of the dry board here. I would rather call in poistion b/c a raise only folds out hands I beat. What the heck do I do on the river ? Villain is Lyric and I have him at 19/17. my image has to be tight at this point. Poker Stars, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BTN: $776.60 SB: $696.70 BB: $545.20 UTG: $600 Hero (MP): $614.10 CO: $312.15 Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $72</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $48 Flop: ($150) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $78</font>, Hero calls $78 Turn: ($306) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $180</font>, Hero calls $180 River: ($666) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $366.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero ??? [/ QUOTE ] That Q is a pretty terrible card, and 19/17/1.8 is way passive man, but geez you're getting a good price. How about shoving turn?
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#5
10-12-2007, 12:13 PM
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Re: Downswinging, looking for post flop examination/criticism
call 1
c/c turn c/r riv in 2 if he's the floaty type. bet turn shove river otherwise jam river in 3 shove turn in 4 or getting it in this way is also fine these all seem fairly standard, sounds like you're just running bad
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#6
10-12-2007, 01:41 PM
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Re: Downswinging, looking for post flop examination/criticism
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Hand 1) Gotta call down now as played he could value bet worse. [/ QUOTE ] Like what? I can't think of anything he'd play this way that is worse.
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#7
10-12-2007, 05:37 PM
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Re: Downswinging, looking for post flop examination/criticism
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call 1 c/c turn c/r riv in 2 if he's the floaty type. bet turn shove river otherwise jam river in 3 shove turn in 4 or getting it in this way is also fine these all seem fairly standard, sounds like you're just running bad [/ QUOTE ] I agree with all of this. I think you're up against a flopped set or AJ in hand 1 a lot though, but given how you got here you gotta call.
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#8
10-12-2007, 06:08 PM
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Re: Downswinging, looking for post flop examination/criticism
hand 1 is gross. i don't think i'd have the discipline to fold but i wouldn't expect to be winning the hand 50% of the time.
hand 2 i occasionally take this line against bad players with monsters but i prefer leading the turn. hand 3 i think you should jam river and i don't think it's close. he almost never has a hand that has you beat here and he'll be looking you up often with weaker kings. hand 4 against lyric im doing everything i can to get the money in. i think pushing the turn is best but how you played it im snap calling the river and expecting to win > 75% of the time.
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#10
10-13-2007, 05:14 AM
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Re: Downswinging, looking for post flop examination/criticism
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I think you should just fold the flop in Hand 1 because a solid player lead into 3 other people. [/ QUOTE ] Wow everyone is saying this, but I could have QJ or JT (suited) all day here and lead the flop. My hand is a little too good to c/f, but c/c'ing puts me in a very tough spot on the rest of the streets, OOP in a growing pot, with very little info on my opponent's hand. I like leading through him; he can't do much without a hand (unless he's very tough) and it looks pretty strong to the others as well. Especially given the read that OP says Villain has of him, leading with a Jack makes terrific sense, from Villain's perspective. I think this is one of those spots where worse hands won't call (usually), better hands won't fold, yet it is still right to bet.
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