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#21
11-27-2006, 01:16 AM
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Re: $27 JJ hand I think against bones
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[ QUOTE ] Desdia, Given the preflop action, good players don't call flops with this texture "looking to improve." Unless you're min-betting, the amount you fire doesn't really matter. It's a binary calling situation. [/ QUOTE ] "Looking to improve", maybe not, but certainly for other reasons like a free card check or a check fearing a turn move by you, which is precisely what happened. [/ QUOTE ] Very tight players don't float. 
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#22
11-27-2006, 02:00 AM
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Re: $27 JJ hand I think against bones
I like your line laser. I think desdia is giving terrible advice.
Hands a solid multitabler is calling you with are 99+, AQs+. Usually they are raising QQ+ here, but I could certainly see flat calling with QQ against another multitabler's ep raise. They could also flat call with AA/KK some % of the time knowing how tight your 3-bet calling range is. Also, your read suggests this guy is actually even tighter than a lot of mutlitablers would be. So, lets say his most likely range to flat call preflop is 99/TT/JJ/QQ/AK. To the flop... Well, if he's not re-poping AK preflop here, he's not floating it either. So, you're beating 99, losing to TT/QQ aand tying a very unlikely JJ. What's overbetting the pot going to accomplish? Well, he'll fold the hands he'd fold to a standard c-bet, AK. He'll likely fold 99 to a c-bet if as tight a stated. So, what you are really hoping to accomplish with an over bet is to fold QQ. Is this a good strategy? You'd better have a damn good read to believe this. Villain should not be calling preflop with QQ if they are going to fold it on a flop like this. If you are going to get tricky, and try to push out better hands, I think checking the flop would be a better strategy. A check will look stronger than any other action you could take. If he fires on the flop, you could flat call, again showing huge strength. But, I'd never suggest trying to get someone to lay down a better hand in a sng. Not when they're better hands are very strong on a board like this.
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#23
11-27-2006, 02:04 AM
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Re: $27 JJ hand I think against bones
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Desdia, Given the preflop action, good players don't call flops with this texture "looking to improve." Unless you're min-betting, the amount you fire doesn't really matter. It's a binary calling situation. [/ QUOTE ] "Looking to improve", maybe not, but certainly for other reasons like a free card check or a check fearing a turn move by you, which is precisely what happened. [/ QUOTE ] Very tight players don't float. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, but seemingly very tight, TRICTAGS (tricky, tight-aggressives) like me are very familiar with this play and will do it with AJ, AK, or 77-99.
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#25
11-27-2006, 02:17 AM
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Re: $27 JJ hand I think against bones
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I think you turned your premium hand into a marginal one by underbetting the flop into a tight player and giving him good odds to call. [/ QUOTE ] "Good odds"? 150 into a 225 pot on a T64 rainbow flop. He's getting 1.5:1 odds. Terrible advice.
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#28
11-27-2006, 02:51 AM
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Re: $27 JJ hand I think against bones
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Yeah I checked turn and he bet 3/4 pot and I folded. Seems like im against TT/QQ almost all the time. [/ QUOTE ] you said it
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#29
11-27-2006, 11:26 AM
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Re: $27 JJ hand I think against bones
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[ QUOTE ] I think you turned your premium hand into a marginal one by underbetting the flop into a tight player and giving him good odds to call. [/ QUOTE ] "Good odds"? 150 into a 225 pot on a T64 rainbow flop. He's getting 1.5:1 odds. Terrible advice. [/ QUOTE ] Calling 150 into a now 375 flop is not 2.5 to 1? What am I missing?
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#30
11-27-2006, 11:49 AM
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Re: $27 JJ hand I think against bones
devin, How do you know that villain is a solid multitabler over a span of 300 hands? laser doesn't even know if villain is bones from 2+2 or some other random bones. A 300 hand span, IMO, is too small a sample to be tagging someone a title of solid multitabler, as well as, saying their calling range preflop 99+, AQs+. A solid multitabler will see that there are still five potential (problems)callers preflop, of which two (the button and BB can push), and one (the SB bigstack) that could smooth call and 3-bet so just calling preflop with QQ+ against an EP raiser might not be the best move.
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