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Old 11-29-2007, 01:54 AM
jk3a jk3a is offline
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explain please why the QQ hand is an easy flop c/f?

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mostly because part of the pot is protected and he knows he's going to have to showdown his hand. His bet size was also kinda fishy as well, but it's such a dumb spot to bluff and we were assuming villain was reasonable and would know this/play accordingly.

The real key here is that he shouldn't expect us to fold given his bet size.
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:40 AM
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but if you bet, it is likely your opponent will fold because his 3bet calling range here pf is wider than you might think, especially since both you guys are deep. c/f is ok if there weren't a side pot; but in this case the side pot is bigger than the main pot. if this were checked to me, i'd make sure you didn't see anymore cards by stealing the side pot with ATC. in short, you need to protect your hand.
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Old 11-29-2007, 11:00 AM
Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky is offline
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but if you bet, it is likely your opponent will fold because his 3bet calling range here pf is wider than you might think, especially since both you guys are deep. c/f is ok if there weren't a side pot; but in this case the side pot is bigger than the main pot. if this were checked to me, i'd make sure you didn't see anymore cards by stealing the side pot with ATC. in short, you need to protect your hand.

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meh....

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but if you bet, it is likely your opponent will fold because his 3bet calling range here pf is wider than you might think, especially since both you guys are deep. c/f is ok if there weren't a side pot; but in this case the side pot is bigger than the main pot.

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I would rarely bet QQ here if the pot were hu and I think it's generally not great poker to do so. I mean, sure, it's likely your opponent will fold but they're just folding worse hands, never better and only calling with better, never worse. Against a reasonably competent opponent you're just dumping money into the pot which you are in no position to defend. I love when people do it vs me though!!! I'm even less inclined to bet here in a protected pot because 99% of people are going to play sooo straight forward that there's really no need to complicate things.

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if this were checked to me, i'd make sure you didn't see anymore cards by stealing the side pot with ATC. in short, you need to protect your hand.

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This may be true of you and it may even be true of me but ime vs the average 1/2 anyhow, it's going to be much more profitable for you to fold and take a note on the 1 or 2 guys that will be bluffing here knowing they have to go to showdown cause most aren't doing that.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:00 AM
BadBeatsCrewDerk BadBeatsCrewDerk is offline
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explain please why the QQ hand is an easy flop c/f?

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mostly because part of the pot is protected and he knows he's going to have to showdown his hand. His bet size was also kinda fishy as well, but it's such a dumb spot to bluff and we were assuming villain was reasonable and would know this/play accordingly.

The real key here is that he shouldn't expect us to fold given his bet size.

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It could be that he's betting that small because you're just fighting over a sidepot. People often don't know how to bet in these situations.

Like, taking a note based on that hand could be very misleading in the future. If I was noting it, I'd definitely mention it was a sidepot, just so I don't screw myself up later.
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Old 11-29-2007, 04:21 AM
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If BBC derk likes it, I don't see how I can't watch! I'll get on this tomorrow, looking forward to it.
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