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Old 11-24-2007, 03:50 PM
mAkCQRE mAkCQRE is offline
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Default 2pair facing river shove on 50NL

CO is a HUGE nit, 12.7 / 0.9 / 1.5, 110 hands
MP is a donator but that shouldnt concern us much.

This river is a fold imho, what do you think about it?
Also what do you think about the turn bet?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($51.40)
UTG ($38.20)
MP ($4.15)
CO ($48.65)
Button ($37.25)
SB ($17.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, UTG calls $1.50, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $3.65</font>, CO calls $3.65, Hero calls $2.15, UTG folds.

Turn: ($14.70) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10.5</font>, CO calls $10.50.

River: ($35.70) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $34 (All-In)</font>, Hero ...
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: 2pair facing river shove on 50NL

Looks like MP raised because he had a better ace than yours.
Turn bet is good. But did MP fold?? Seems strange if he did considering his flop action.
CO goes all-in on the river but i doubt he has the club flush.
He may have two diamonds and is now trying to steal [since he is a nit]
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: 2pair facing river shove on 50NL

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Looks like MP raised because he had a better ace than yours.
Turn bet is good. But did MP fold?? Seems strange if he did considering his flop action.
CO goes all-in on the river but i doubt he has the club flush.
He may have two diamonds and is now trying to steal [since he is a nit]

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MP ($4.15): he is allin by the flop
club flush? theres no flush possible.
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:44 PM
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Default Re: 2pair facing river shove on 50NL

when you lead turn, how are you reacting to a shove?
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: 2pair facing river shove on 50NL

looks like you checked here to induce a bluff because given action in the hand you have to have co beat often enough for it to be +ev, no? does he just SHOVE a hand that beats you here for value after you CHECK to him???
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:52 PM
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Default Re: 2pair facing river shove on 50NL

meh...just seems fishy to me...i vbet river for about $20.... as played i call ....
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: 2pair facing river shove on 50NL

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when you lead turn, how are you reacting to a shove?

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im am a bit more likely to call a turn shove than a river shove, not alot tho

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looks like you checked here to induce a bluff because given action in the hand you have to have co beat often enough for it to be +ev, no? does he just SHOVE a hand that beats you here for value after you CHECK to him???

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yes i did

i think hes more likely to just shove the nuts for value than shove on a bluff, he is a huge nit after all
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:57 PM
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Default Re: 2pair facing river shove on 50NL

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when you lead turn, how are you reacting to a shove?

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im am a bit more likely to call a turn shove than a river shove, not alot tho


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you should not be leading this turn without a plan.
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Old 11-25-2007, 09:31 AM
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Default Re: 2pair facing river shove on 50NL

The flop lead isn't obligatory, but aside from that, it's hard to see an easy way out of this mess.

Unimproved on the turn, it looks like a time for caution, and meanwhile I think you could just check-fold some random diamond. But as it is, you hit a card that's quite likely either terrific for you or about the worst thing you could have caught.

And, damn, on the river I might tell myself that CO probably has been slowplaying a set or his AT (possibly specifically AdTd) just hit, but the decision doesn't seem easy to me.

My guess is that a fold is best. You will get to see the hands, for what that's worth, but I'd imagine that sometimes the information will be tilt-inducing (it would be for me).
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Old 11-26-2007, 12:33 PM
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Default Re: 2pair facing river shove on 50NL

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CO is a HUGE nit, 12.7 / 0.9 / 1.5, 110 hands


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i didnt think hes bluffing there at all, i folded and was so surprised to see him show up with 75 ther that i posted it to see if anyone would consider calling in that spot. flop and turn a definately marginal, maybe even a little bad, i dont think they are horrible tho.
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