Property and water rights? - Page 3

MrMon · #21 07-24-2007, 02:26 PM

Are you people incapable of staying on topic? How many threads now have descending into an off-topic AC circle-jerk? Do we need a seperate AC Politics area where we can lock all you people up and you can descent into chaos to your heart's content? I'm not one to call for actions by mods, but this is getting freakin' annoying for the rest of us.

pvn · #22 07-24-2007, 02:31 PM

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Does property rights extend below ground? How far below?

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Huh? Does property rights extend to the east? How far east?

As far as people are willing to make claims, LDO. Do you think that when you tunnel underground a whole new set of moral principles magically come into play?

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Does is extend above ground, ie river systems? Does it extend to water that hasn't fallen yet as rain?

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Can you homestead clouds?

tomdemaine · #23 07-24-2007, 02:32 PM

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Are you people incapable of staying on topic? How many threads now have descending into an off-topic AC circle-jerk? Do we need a seperate AC Politics area where we can lock all you people up and you can descent into chaos to your heart's content? I'm not one to call for actions by mods, but this is getting freakin' annoying for the rest of us.

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I am interested, although don't expect, about any intelligent AC reply

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pvn · #24 07-24-2007, 02:32 PM

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The great thing about the market is that, unlike democracy, minority opinions can still be catered to.

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If you bold and italicize "can" then I think that's accurate.

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Well, yeah, LDO. Do you think anyone has an *entitlement* to be catered to?

tolbiny · #25 07-24-2007, 03:00 PM

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Are you people incapable of staying on topic? How many threads now have descending into an off-topic AC circle-jerk? Do we need a seperate AC Politics area where we can lock all you people up and you can descent into chaos to your heart's content? I'm not one to call for actions by mods, but this is getting freakin' annoying for the rest of us.

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From the OP

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This issue got me thinking about the silliness and simplification that AC always ( ) bring to any issues. Does property rights extend below ground? How far below? Does is extend above ground, ie river systems? Does it extend to water that hasn't fallen yet as rain?

I am interested, although don't expect, about any intelligent AC reply as to what applies and how, or by what means, and under which philosophical or ideological argument, those rights should be enforced?

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Are Acers not supposed to reply to threads that are specifically targeted at them? Are we not supposed to define property rights in a broader sense to make clear our position?

Richard Tanner · #26 07-24-2007, 04:44 PM

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The great thing about the market is that, unlike democracy, minority opinions can still be catered to.

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If you bold and italicize "can" then I think that's accurate.

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Well, yeah, LDO. Do you think anyone has an *entitlement* to be catered to?

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LDO for you maybe, but plenty assume that under AC or communism or anything defferent then our Republic that the minorities get instant care.

Cody

jogger08152 · #27 07-24-2007, 05:45 PM

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Does property rights extend below ground? How far below?

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Huh? Does property rights extend to the east? How far east?

As far as people are willing to make claims, LDO. Do you think that when you tunnel underground a whole new set of moral principles magically come into play?

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Does is extend above ground, ie river systems? Does it extend to water that hasn't fallen yet as rain?

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Can you homestead clouds?

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You're still on about homesteading?

jogger08152 · #28 07-24-2007, 05:55 PM

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Property rights are really a fantasy.

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Really? How would you feel if you got raped, stolen from or murdered? What if it's done to someone else. Any sense of injustice?

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Vengeful - so vengeful I might shoot a trespasser, in fact, thereby closing (in a manner of my own choosing) the force transaction that they initiated against me in a manner of their own choosing. And my action would be morally justifiable, too - if I subscribed to the folly of AC "morality".

BCPVP · #29 07-24-2007, 07:41 PM

Some reading to get you started:
Who Owns Water? - Rothbard
Water Privatization - Block
The Economics of Water in the West - Anderson
Making Economic Sense (Ch. 25) - Rothbard

Phil153 · #30 07-24-2007, 08:00 PM

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Does property rights extend below ground? How far below?

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Huh? Does property rights extend to the east? How far east?

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Why the idiocy? It's a legitimate questions in terms of mineral rights, building rights, and shared water and oil resources. At present you own all land to the center of the Earth under law. He's asking what would be different under AC.

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Does is extend above ground, ie river systems? Does it extend to water that hasn't fallen yet as rain?

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Can you homestead clouds?

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Another silly reply. He's not talking about clouds, he's talking about (for example) building a massive damn on a river system to catch all the water (including that which hasn't fallen yet). Under absolute property rights, it seems to me there should be no reason you can't do this.

Another example: can a farmer on a small river system pump 100x what anyone else does, thereby drying up the flow for some downstream? What proof or recourse can the downstream farmer obtain?

Exploring these things is also about exploring the viability of AC.