AQ vs turn push

[z28dreams]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 6 Players

SB: $9.90
BB: $10.25
UTG: $9.55
MP: $24.05
CO: $10.15
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $18.40</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $0.10, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.45</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $0.35
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to Hero

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($1.05) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $0.70</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, CO calls $1.80

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($6.05) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets all-in for $7.20</font>, Hero ???
Uncalled bet of $7.20 returned to CO

Pot Size: $6.05 ($0.60 Rake)

[orange]

call turn. you cant really put his limp/call on AJ...55 is really the only hand that beats you.

[z28dreams]

Any idea what this line means? Calls a flop raise, then open shoves a turn?

Had trouble putting him on a hand here.

5x seems unlikely because the ace is out there, and it probably wouldn't call the flop raise.

[vixticator]

Tough place readless. This can be Ax/FD against higher AF donks and is usually behind passive players but not necessarily. I think it depends. The turn shove is more in line with donk behavior so I think it's +EV to call.

[ajml]

The over bet shove means they have nothing a huge percentage of the time.

[z28dreams]

ajml: so you're putting him on a missed FD mostly then?

[orange]

i'll explain further. he limped called pf. i put him on stuff like scs/pps/sometimes crap like suited aces/KQo and stuff like that. but i would typically think that most players would raise AK/AJ pf.

narrow his range down, street by street. take out hands as they are excluded from his range with the given action.

flop: he donks into us. i would say that is Ax/Jx/clubs/air/etc. still fairly wide. this player seems donkish enough to where he's splashing around (already given pf/flop action). so i like your raise on the flop, for value, protection, etc.

so, so far so good. after his flop call, i would put him on Ax/clubs.

turn: he open shoves. what does this mean? his hand range is now narrowed a little bit, but not much. i wouldnt think that a 5 changed much tbh. i dont think a 5 is really in his range, given the flop raise/call. i think that the turn is an easy call. AK isnt in his range, as stated earlier by PF action.

[lippy]

Holy crap, I disagree with orange. Thought this day would never come.

I really feel he had 45 or 56 suited and was posturing on the flop and then decided to peel one. His range is, in my eyes;

5; 55%
weaker ace; 25%
flush draw/combo draw; 15%
crazy weird random; 15%

Thus, we see that, even though I think you're beat, it's still a call getting ALMOST 2:1. So, once again, I agree with orange.

[tarheeljks]

which statement is more likely

1) i have bottom pair and he may be bluffing. let's call and see if i hit my two outer on the turn.

2) i have top pair and have now picked up a flush draw. my kicker is weak and i don't have that much left, so let's just push. even if i get called by a better A i have outs.


obv a 5 is possible, but if he hit it, i'm paying him off

[orange]

lippy,
you really think that he has a 5? you think that he donks flop AND calls a raise? i think thats just a bit too much with a lone 5. while there are combos in his range (45s/etc), turning an unknown player into a complete maniac (ie. donk/calling a raise with a lone 5 on the flop) is pretty lame to me.

if he's maniacal enough to do this with a 5 on the turn (if he even got there with a 5), his hand range is wide enough to where we can call this pretty profitably. in other words, i think Ax is much more likely, FD more likely.