100 NL trick spot with KK

IAMMARN · #1 11-13-2007, 07:55 PM

Villan is 17/10/2.9

No reads other than that--I obviously usually raise this PF but I mix in calls once in awhile.

Can I fold to the turn bet in position?
Fold the river for sure?

It looked to me like he had qjs or kjs...or a slowplayed 33 or 44.

Let me know what you think.

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

BB ($312.30)
UTG ($93.35)
MP ($119.43)
Button ($201.95)
Hero ($120)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

, K

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[color=#CC3333]UTG raises to $4, [color=#666666]2 folds, Hero calls $3.50, [color=#666666]1 fold.

Flop: ($9) J

, 4

, 3

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Turn: ($9) J

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets $6, [color=#CC3333]UTG raises to $20, Hero calls $14.

River: ($49) 9

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
Hero checks, [color=#CC3333]UTG bets $69.35 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $-20.35

jjp · #2 11-13-2007, 07:59 PM

I would re-raise the turn, I think he is playing QQ, AQ, or AK. If he had a J, he would have bet it on the flop. I don't think he slow plays top pair in position so you can catch up.

xMars · #3 11-13-2007, 08:03 PM

#1 reraise pf
#2 bet the flop
#3 either raise the turn (so you know where u stand) or fold. calling wont give u any information and you dont have any draws (except 2 K`s but that is neglible)

IAMMARN · #4 11-13-2007, 08:11 PM

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I would re-raise the turn, I think he is playing QQ, AQ, or AK. If he had a J, he would have bet it on the flop. I don't think he slow plays top pair in position so you can catch up.

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I can see him checking behind with a weaker jack (qj, kj) or with a big hand like a set. Doesn't re-raising the turn lessen the value of my hand because he never calls with anything I'm beating and he folds everything I beat?

IAMMARN · #5 11-13-2007, 08:14 PM

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#1 reraise pf
#2 bet the flop
#3 either raise the turn (so you know where u stand) or fold. calling wont give u any information and you dont have any draws (except 2 K`s but that is neglible)

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To re-raise a tight UTG raiser from the SB looks extremely strong and gives away alot of info about my hand--this is why I chose to smooth call. Look to my previous reply about re-raising the turn--I'm not calling to get information, I'm calling because I think that I'm ahead here alot of the time. My bet on the turn could look like a bluff and I dont see a very tight player like him over betting the pot on the river with a bluff.

h_ven · #6 11-13-2007, 08:14 PM

Why did you call on the turn if you're not going to call on the river?
I think he has a J, good fold.

LiveNow · #7 11-13-2007, 08:14 PM

the trophy gave me high hopes for this thread. i was disappointed when the HH was unreadable.

IAMMARN · #8 11-13-2007, 08:18 PM

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Why did you call on the turn if you're not going to call on the river?
I think he has a J, good fold.

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I call on the turn because I think I can be ahead here alot of the time. After I check the flop my turn lead looks somewhat like a bluff--I can see him re-raising me here with 77-10s. I didn't call the river because of the size of his bet.

Ranma4703 · #9 11-13-2007, 08:19 PM

Don't [censored] around out of position. Reraise it preflop.

IAMMARN · #10 11-13-2007, 08:28 PM

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Don't [censored] around out of position. Reraise it preflop.

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I'd say it is a matter of preference whether to call or raise this hand in this situation PF. Like I said, re-raising a tight UTG raiser from the SB basically turns my hand face up--we aren't gonna do that without a premium hand.

If your gonna post, make it something useful not just a generic comment about the PF play