QTs BvB screwplay

efficacy · #1 11-15-2007, 11:14 PM

villain is 25/14/2 over small sample, no notes, no history with this player.

PokerStars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4.00 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.00 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks

milesdyson · #2 11-15-2007, 11:23 PM

maybe it works against a king but you still have to realize the pot is 3 bets before you do this. after his bet it's 4bb, so this has to work 1/3 times (ignoring you rivering the straight vs Jx). i don't see it working that much to be honest. when he bets the turn i would weight Ax > Kx because i don't expect all Kx hands to bet. and then i'd expect Ax to fold ~never without past history.

efficacy · #3 11-15-2007, 11:30 PM

what about the times he is floating and betting his entire range on the turn?

milesdyson · #4 11-15-2007, 11:56 PM

dunno. i just dont expect that much on AK4 compared to single high card flops.

TheHip41 · #5 11-16-2007, 04:05 PM

If I call this flop, and I'm a 25/17/2, I have A-little or K-x almost 100% of the time.

If you check to me on the turn, I'm bet/calling down with A-x, and checking the turn and calling the river with K-x.

I just think that when a good player just calls that flop, you can just c/f the turn.

istewart · #6 11-16-2007, 04:09 PM

Er, what about the times you have a 4?

Apanage · #7 11-16-2007, 08:45 PM

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Er, what about the times you have a 4?

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Then we raise flop.

TheHip41 · #8 11-16-2007, 09:03 PM

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Er, what about the times you have a 4?

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someone that has a 4 is beating you on the turn.

i don't think the pot is big enough to 3 barrel so you can fold a 4.

istewart · #9 11-16-2007, 09:45 PM

Obviously they're beating us, but you said if you call the flop you have an ace or king 100% of the time, which is not close to the case. Barreling off won't fold a 4 but a CR might if he decides to bet it.

efficacy · #10 11-16-2007, 10:03 PM

does QJ / QT / JT ever play preflop and flop like this?