Who Folds This? Chapter 2

pegboy · #1 08-01-2007, 03:15 PM

Villain is 46/8/1.4 after 75 hands

Limit Holdem Ring game
6 players

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img](4.5SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img](4.25BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to UTG+1.

Results:
Final pot: 6.25BB

Better ways to play it? Go to the end?

OregonRogue · #2 08-01-2007, 03:18 PM

he raises 8% preflop and we're not giving him credit for a hand that beats us with a K in the flop?

C/F > B/F > C/CR ?

milesdyson · #3 08-01-2007, 03:21 PM

it's a super easy fold but against an EP 8% raiser (even though his range is probably a bit weird) it's likely just a c/f on the flop.

TheHip41 · #4 08-01-2007, 05:05 PM

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it's a super easy fold but against an EP 8% raiser (even though his range is probably a bit weird) it's likely just a c/f on the flop.

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yeah, turn fold is standard.

against this player, on this board, I just c/f the flop. Sure, sometimes he will have AQ, but honestly, he's never folding TT-QQ, and he will have a K or those hands pretty much all the time.

c/f the flop for me

MartynasD · #5 08-01-2007, 05:36 PM

Good player can raise A high on turn.Or any pair,just to get showdown for free.And for a chance somebody will fold beter hand.i say check callin it`s beter in this situation.

OregonRogue · #6 08-01-2007, 06:26 PM

not with those player stats its not. The only hand he possibly has is AQ and he's not folding any of the 4567 hands that beat you. C/F flop, definately C/F turn

Oink · #7 08-01-2007, 06:41 PM

Its been said so many times in other threads. But when I guy like this raises it is usually not big hands like QQ+ and AK since a lot of fish will just limp these.

The flop c/r is too much but I think c/f'ing the flop is a tad weak as well. The problem with c/c'ing however is knowing when to give up. I wouldnt c/c with the intention of c/c'ing all 3 streets unless I had a good read on villain 3-barreling too much. This is a spot where a read or a stat about how much villain c-bets is extremely usefull.

Ok I am rambling. Tough spot! Get some reads! Without reads you can prolly c/f it on the flop.

Scary_Tiger · #8 08-01-2007, 06:48 PM

I would c/c flop and c/f turn.

Oink · #9 08-01-2007, 06:51 PM

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I would c/c flop and c/f turn.

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That was my first thought as well. But how the hell do we now that this guy wont fire A high twice or even 3 times..?

pegboy · #10 08-01-2007, 09:06 PM

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I would c/c flop and c/f turn.

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That was my first thought as well. But how the hell do we now that this guy wont fire A high twice or even 3 times..?

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He won't. His range to raise preflop from that seat is pretty tight. He calls a lot PF. My hand isn't strong enough to reraise preflop. I think the best way to play this would have been check/call the flop and check/fold the turn. There are definitely a range of hands that this guy would have checked the turn with and I failed to realize that at the time. I don't think his type will bet a weaker hand than mine on the turn often enough to play it otherwise.

I wish I had thought this out better at the time.