25/50: River decision

aba20 · #1 07-19-2006, 11:46 AM

I think normally this would be a fold but with me holding both an ace and jack it makes aces and jacks full unlikely. How horrible is a river call here? Also how much weight should I put on having a jack in my hand as a "blocker" (I think I am misusing that term). Read on villian is that he is an aggressive opponent, who overplays aces.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $50 BB (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 ($5954)
CO ($1658)
Button ($3401)
Hero ($5294)
BB ($26604.70)
UTG ($4786)
UTG+1 ($4475)
MP1 ($14284.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $75.
UTG calls $50, 2 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($225) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets $222, Hero calls $222, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: ($669) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $300, MP2 calls $300.

River: ($1269) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $850, MP2 raises to $3816,

Hero ????

Chimichonga · #2 07-19-2006, 11:56 AM

Two hands beat you, one hand ties you.

Is he raising anything worse than A-T on the river???

liquid · #3 07-19-2006, 11:59 AM

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Two hands beat you, one hand ties you.

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And I'm assuming from your read that foe would have raised the case AAxx PF, leaving only the case JJxx.

This would be a difficult pass.

aba20 · #4 07-19-2006, 12:00 PM

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Two hands beat you, one hand ties you.

Is he raising anything worse than A-T on the river???

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A bluff, but there are also alot more combos of AT than JJ and AA.

piiop · #5 07-19-2006, 12:33 PM

I wouldn't fold.

Like you said, only 1 combo of AA and 1 of JJ, but more combos of AT/JT. Plus I think there's a good chance he raises with KQ or bluff because your hand looks weakish like KQ kind of going for pot control. And you said he's aggressive and overplays Aces so he would've raised with those pf.

glass_onion · #6 07-19-2006, 12:39 PM

I'm suprised no one is replaying hte initial bet on the river. First, you have to assume you have the best hand, going against an aggro opponent. While JJ is possible, AA is very very unlikely.

Looking at his aggressive nature, I'm thinking why bet into him. If he doesn't hold JJ or AT a lot of aggro opponents will fold to river bets. You showed strength turn and now river. The idea behind LAG play is steal small pots, punish meek opponents, bet scare cards, bet against passive play, but only get involved in big pots with big hands and get paid well with them. Moreover, if you bet will he call with a worse hand. Not too often. Will you get a better hand than yours to fold. Never. Therefore, the best play is a check call.

Chimichonga · #7 07-19-2006, 02:22 PM

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Plus I think there's a good chance he raises with KQ or bluff because your hand looks weakish like KQ kind of going for pot control.

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Oh really? I guess there is a chance that Hero is trying to steal on the scare card with either the straight or a flush draw, but his line is 100% consistent with boating up on the turn as well.

A pure bluff raise on that river (and a straight is obviously a bluff at this point) is pretty big considering that Hero has thrown out a 2/3 pot value bet.

AA overplayer is a pretty weak read and all it does in this situation is make it less likely that he has AA.

Given his position, willingness to call a half-pot turn bet, aggressive nature and Hero's having a hand that merits a showdown but still may lose, check-call seems like a decent option.

The only reason to lead on the river is if you expect straights or two-pair hands to call but not bet on their own. You do not want to be bet and then raised with this hand.

Ribbo · #8 07-19-2006, 06:13 PM

If you just gave me his name (in pm or otherwise) I could tell you my read on him.
I'd call, but i'd be crying when I did it.

durrrr · #9 07-20-2006, 02:11 AM

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If you just gave me his name (in pm or otherwise) I could tell you my read on him.
I'd call, but i'd be crying when I did it.

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yah gimme a name.

zizazziza · #10 07-20-2006, 07:40 PM

unless you have a good read on him i dont see why you would be calling this river raise. I mean i think that this is either a b/f or c/c situation. I think that by b/c, this is a loose call and that you're going to be calling a lot more times when ur losing than winning.