Nontraditional Heisman Candidates

[NozeCandy]

I read this article about Jake Long and how he should be in the discussion for the Heisman. Everyone knows he is good, but I had no idea of the following:

- Has not given up a sack all year
- Has not been called for a penalty all year
- 3 different backs have run for over 100 yards in a game primarily behind him (well, I did know that)

Long himself makes a good point near the end of the article that it's basically turned into a skill position trophy, but that's not how the wording of the article goes.

What do you think of Long as a candidate? What other guys in the trenches are out there that might be better than anyone else in the country? Any applicable stats or analysis would be good too; I want to learn about some of these less-publicized guys.

[vhawk01]

Austin Starr is 16/17 on FGs, including 8/8 from 40-49, and is 33/33 on PAT. Cant find any stats on kickoffs so I'll pretend he booms them.

[zacd]

They should change the description of the Heisman from the award for the "most outstanding collegiate football player" to something along the lines of the "most exciting collegiate football player". I doubt anyone would argue that the trophy is always given to the best player in the country. Too often players are excluded because of their position or their team's record.

What I would really like to see is an award that has a list of candidates resulting from the winners of each positions respective prestigious award (Doak Walker Award, Dick Butkus Award, etc.).

[Fonkey123]

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They should change the description of the Heisman from the award for the "most outstanding collegiate football player" to something along the lines of the "best running back or quarterback of the top 5 bcs teams". I doubt anyone would argue that the trophy is always given to the best player in the country. Too often players are excluded because of their position or their team's record.

What I would really like to see is an award that has a list of candidates resulting from the winners of each positions respective prestigious award (Doak Walker Award, Dick Butkus Award, etc.).

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[legend42]

I don't know how that article doesn't even even mention Orlando Pace, who was even more dominant than Long, and who generated the same kind of argument not too long ago. I think he ended up finishing 4th in the voting.

[Gregatron]

Even the term "skill position" is biased. Playing O-line takes skill. (Believe me, I know!) "Skill position" = players that carry the ball.

IMO linemen should be considered. They never will though. But the fact that linemen are drafted high along with the "skill" players demonstrates their importance.

[Your Mom]

Dorsey for LSU is a beast on Defense.

[NozeCandy]

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I don't know how that article doesn't even even mention Orlando Pace, who was even more dominant than Long, and who generated the same kind of argument not too long ago. I think he ended up finishing 4th in the voting.

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How do you figure this? Granted the season isn't over, but is it really possible to be better than zero sacks, zero penalties, and being as good at run blocking as he is while still in college? He still hasn't allowed any sacks even when Mallett does his stupid dance around should-i-throw-it-away-or-should-i-take-a-sack dance that always ends in a sack. I know Pace was really, really good, but how do you figure he was even more dominant than someone who doesn't make mistakes?

[mmbt0ne]

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I don't know how that article doesn't even even mention Orlando Pace, who was even more dominant than Long, and who generated the same kind of argument not too long ago. I think he ended up finishing 4th in the voting.

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How do you figure this? Granted the season isn't over, but is it really possible to be better than zero sacks, zero penalties, and being as good at run blocking as he is while still in college? He still hasn't allowed any sacks even when Mallett does his stupid dance around should-i-throw-it-away-or-should-i-take-a-sack dance that always ends in a sack. I know Pace was really, really good, but how do you figure he was even more dominant than someone who doesn't make mistakes?

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I seem to remember hearing that Pace didn't allow a sack either. For his entire college career.

[Pudge714]

mmb,
Jake Long is probably a good pick, but I really like Brohm and Petrino obv wants him.

Vhawk,
I think it's Brohm, Woodson, Ryan and am basing this on very little