Standard laydown on worst possible river

Vammakala · #1 10-19-2006, 01:16 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

UTG ($49.50)
MP ($87.10)
Button ($21.75)
SB ($62.40)
Hero ($60.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $1, UTG calls $1.

Turn: ($3.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $2.5, UTG calls $2.50.

River: ($8.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $12.5, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $20.75

This is standard, right? Villain entered game one orbit back. Hasn't been in any pots beyond limping and folding pf. There's only two hands that make sense for him to have I think, can you figure what they are?

xwillience · #2 10-19-2006, 03:38 PM

yeah that sux.

ymu · #3 10-19-2006, 04:16 PM

Read dependent.

He played very passively throughout, which could be QJ, or QT milking (but the river bet makes little sense in that case, unless he was hoping you'd think he was pushing you off a split pot), or KQ/Qx being very optimistic about a gutshot and implied odds.

QT and QJ make the most sense. AQ/KQ if he's a chronic limper and hopeless optimist. AJ if he's passive. A7/A9/AT, 22-AA if he's a total donkey.

Shaddux · #4 10-19-2006, 04:21 PM

This looks standard.

Looks like QJ.

Vammakala · #5 10-19-2006, 05:55 PM

Yea I figured it's either QJ or QT. Those are definitely the most likely hands he's have here.

lakemalcom · #6 10-19-2006, 06:04 PM

Why would it not be a good idea for a blocking bet here? I mean, the river check says "Hey, please bluff me!"

He even overbets the pot. I would think QJ would make a value bet here if he's winning.

xwillience · #7 10-19-2006, 06:17 PM

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Why would it not be a good idea for a blocking bet here? I mean, the river check says "Hey, please bluff me!"

He even overbets the pot. I would think QJ would make a value bet here if he's winning.

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it took 3 months to get that much out of you? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Vammakala · #8 10-19-2006, 06:18 PM

Overbets are nice valuebets on these stakes. You bet $15 into $10 pot and you get calls from bottom pairs ;D

lakemalcom · #9 10-19-2006, 06:25 PM

True, but still why not block bet?

Maybe I've just been feeling like I've been getting pots stolen too often OOP, but the river c/f just seems very weak to me.

Vammakala · #10 10-19-2006, 07:10 PM

Blocking bet would feel silly. He'd raise a Q and call a split. There's no fold equity in the way the hand was played, unless he figures me for a Q, which is very unlikely given how the hand was played unless I flopped the nuts (also quite unlikely imo)