General set advice searched

[Hensa]

There is always something awkward to C/R draws. What do we do if he pushs ? what do we do when he calls and turn is blank ( I guess his flop-call is not good, but it happens )

[Hattifnatt]

If you regularly c/r draws I def prefer a (pretty big) c/r in hand 1, esp if villian is aware of that but I prefer that even if he's not. If you aren't c/r draws regularly I like c/c c/r turn in that hand.

Hand 2 I prefer leading even though c/r is fine as well, if you decide to c/c, I think leading the turn.

Players are more apt to fire second barrels on the hand 1 board than hand 2.

[DanJ.]

in the first one i c/r there almost all day, maybe sometimes i would b/3b but c/r a huge % of the time.

In 2nd one, if the guy has bad hand reading skills i will c/r but if hes good ill c/c, reason is im pretty sure i never c/r AT5 rainbow with anything apart from set, i dont even think its possible for me to have AT there...

[Boredom]

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There is always something awkward to C/R draws. What do we do if he pushs ? what do we do when he calls and turn is blank ( I guess his flop-call is not good, but it happens )

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In the first hand, if he pushes and you have a FD with likely overcard, or a FD with gutshot or better straight draw (the only draws you should probably c/r in this spot imo), it's easy you call. You are going to checkraise to like 550 to 650 here. When he pushes it will be like 1350-ish back to you to win 2550, and unless he is a total nit who always folds overpairs to the checkraise you are +ev against his range.

If he calls there will be 1350 in the pot on the turn and that much left in your stack roughly; with 13-15 outs probably and any chance he folds at all you shove the turn. It would definitely be best to make the flop c/r on the bigger side to ensure you have odds here.

[recallme]

I think we came to a good point here:
We should play our big hand similiar to a draw.

So let`s go on with just the first hand which seems more interesting.

Í think the general consensus was we won`t give a free turn, so either it`s b/3bet, c/r or b/c and lead turn.
I think the most used are either c/r or b/3bet.


What sizing would you choose? Would you choose the same sizing?

Let`s say:
c/r like Villain bets 100, Hero now raises to 400 or 600?

bet/3bet like Hero bets 100, Villain raises to 350, Hero pushes or raises to 1000

[Hattifnatt]

if you c/r, 450 seems fine. if you bet 100 he raises to 350, make it 950 or so, pushing is fine as well.

if you bet/call, c/r all-in on turn. I think thats a good line as well.

[recallme]

Isn`t b/c c/r turn dangerous, because he could check behind?

[Hattifnatt]

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Isn`t b/c c/r turn dangerous, because he could check behind?

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he will often put you on a draw and make a bet to protect him hand, then when you c/r he will probably feel committed if he had some kind of high PP or something.

if he checks behind its not that much of a disaster since you will often get value on the river when you bet or even c/r.

also, he might have air and bet the turn where he shoulda folded if you had bet.

so the downsides of risk of giving a free card is far less than the upsides imo.

[recallme]

[/ QUOTE ]also, he might have air and bet the turn where he shoulda folded if you had bet.

so the downsides of risk of giving a free card is far less than the upsides imo.

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Isn`t exactly this a good reason for the c/r line?
I doubt a PFR will often raise a bet with air, that means we miss value.

[HonkDonk]

to this point (and i think it will be the final result) the most would play c/r.

So I think you should choose b/3bet or b/c lead turn.