Cash game problems

myklej · #1 09-13-2007, 02:40 AM

I have a cash game with 8-10 guys and the blinds are $1 and $2. The max buy in is $100 and everyone is comfortable with that. We typicall have $2000 in the pot at nights end. The problem we are having is when someone gets busted later on in the game and they buy back in they cant really make a move on someone who has $500 or more, they have to just wait on the nuts basically. We have tossed around the idea of when the pot doubles you can buy in for double. Any help would be appriciated.

Taso · #2 09-13-2007, 03:10 AM

First of all, $100 is too short anyways. If you want to do $100 I'd say play a .50/1.00 game, instead of 1/2.

Secondly, why can't the guy with $100 make a move on the guy with $500? It's not a tournament, these are real cash dollars you are playing with. No one ever busts. Lets say play A is the guy with $100. Player B the guy with $500. Player A has 53 off suit, player B has 10 10. Flop comes
A Q 4. Player A moves all in for $98...Now, if player B is okay with losing $100 if beat, he'll call. If not, he'll fold.

Lets say the same situation, but Player B also has $100. If he thinks he might lose and is okay with that, he'll call, and if he's beat, he'll reload for another $100. If he's not okay with losing $100, he'll fold.

Same situation - it's real money.

myklej · #3 09-13-2007, 03:17 AM

first of all the guy with 53 isnt going to just call, he's going to bet out lets say 7 or 8. The guy with tens isnt going to let that stand he needs to find out how his tens are lookng (especially if the player with 53 is an aggressive player) so the player with 10s rases to maybe twenty maybe even 30 he is the bigger stack so he can push the little guy around. There's a problem in itself, but leads to the player who was going to make a move if he goes all in the big stack with 10s has to call. Remember aggressive poker is winning poker

JustCuz · #4 09-13-2007, 03:24 AM

My normal game starts at around 6:00pm and has a max buy-in of $300. After 9:00pm, the max buy-in changes to $500. Not only does this address your problem, but it also encourages some guys to get there early, while others (who like to play bigger pots) prefer to get there later. Overall, this keeps the game going -- we usually quit at around 6:00am.

garcia1000 · #5 09-13-2007, 03:27 AM

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first of all the guy with 53 isnt going to just call, he's going to bet out lets say 7 or 8. The guy with tens isnt going to let that stand he needs to find out how his tens are lookng (especially if the player with 53 is an aggressive player) so the player with 10s rases to maybe twenty maybe even 30 he is the bigger stack so he can push the little guy around. There's a problem in itself, but leads to the player who was going to make a move if he goes all in the big stack with 10s has to call. Remember aggressive poker is winning poker

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Anyway, skipping over your poker misunderstandings, what our group does is that initial buy-ins at 8PM are capped at $200, but people usually buy-in for $100 (we have $1/$2 blinds). After midnight, buy-ins are $400 max.

Taso · #6 09-13-2007, 03:43 AM

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first of all the guy with 53 isnt going to just call, he's going to bet out lets say 7 or 8. The guy with tens isnt going to let that stand he needs to find out how his tens are lookng (especially if the player with 53 is an aggressive player) so the player with 10s rases to maybe twenty maybe even 30 he is the bigger stack so he can push the little guy around. There's a problem in itself, but leads to the player who was going to make a move if he goes all in the big stack with 10s has to call. Remember aggressive poker is winning poker

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I'm really not going to bother any further ,explaing how $100 is $100, any way you look at it.

I will say I like the ideas of making the buy in amount bigger when the pot doubles, or as others have said ,as time goes by. But again, the initial buy in is too low.

TexRef · #7 09-13-2007, 08:27 AM

I play in a regular game where the host initially capped buy-ins at $50 ... blinds were $0.25/$0.50. Since then we have raised the blinds to $0.50/$1 and at one point agreed that you could buy-in for $50 at 8pm, $100 after 10pm, and $200 at midnight. We had the same problem -- huge stacks towards the end of the night and no one wanted to buy-in for just $50.

Now the host pretty much allows anyone to buy-in for whatever... Most guys buy-in for $50-100 to start off and later $100-200 depending on what is on the table. No one seems to mind [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Javanewt · #8 09-13-2007, 08:58 AM

I think the initial buy-in is too low.

Interesting that so many of you up the buy-in. What do you do at a casino if you bust out at a table full of big stacks? I guess you could ask for a table change (takes a while at my casino, so wouldn't work) or get back on the list and hope for a table with smaller stacks, but that would stink.

Up the initial buy-in and just play poker.

jeffnc · #9 09-13-2007, 09:59 AM

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The problem we are having is when someone gets busted later on in the game and they buy back in they cant really make a move on someone who has $500 or more, they have to just wait on the nuts basically.

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This makes no sense. You're inventing a problem that doesn't exist. A $500 stack can't "push around" a $100 stack. It's a fallacy.

If I have $100 and you have $500, we're playing with $100 stacks, period. This is exactly the same as it was the first hand of the night.

With regard to your amounts, $100 buy in is cool for most home games. We play with 50 big blinds too. It seemed too small at first, but it works out good for the weaker players who want to play hands. We also have a rule that you can't buy back in until you bust, so we also get a lot of interesting all-in hands. Sort of like a tournament in a sense, but the blinds don't change and you can buy back in when you bust.

Triantafylidis · #10 09-13-2007, 10:25 AM

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This makes no sense. You're inventing a problem that doesn't exist. A $500 stack can't "push around" a $100 stack. It's a fallacy.

If I have $100 and you have $500, we're playing with $100 stacks, period. This is exactly the same as it was the first hand of the night.

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What are you talking about... It is ABSOLUTELY NOT the same at all. Playing against a deeper stack is in no way the same as playing against an even stack. The big stack has the advantage of being able to be the aggressor in pots without much worry of going busto. I don't conceivably see how you can think these are the same thing, thats the most retarded comment of the week on these forums.

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