I think I just threw up

redrooski24 · #1 02-21-2007, 10:50 PM

Villain is 36/18/1.2 over 90 hands, but no real read. I would think a flopped set would raise somewhere before the river this deep, but I also suck at making big calls. Is this one of them?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($209.30)
SB ($1059.10)
BB ($594.50)
Hero ($1304.60)
MP ($601)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $22, 1 fold, Button calls $22, SB calls $19, BB calls $16.

Flop: ($88) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $66, Button folds, SB calls $66, BB folds.

Turn: ($220) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $140, SB calls $140.

River: ($500) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $831.1 (All-In)

SuperPokerJedi · #2 02-21-2007, 10:55 PM

Looks like Quads - ul!

EC10 · #3 02-21-2007, 10:56 PM

you really think he got here like this with TT or 77? i dont.

although a 5....

ArturiusX · #4 02-21-2007, 11:01 PM

Wow, I've never seen anyone use the trips on the board to issue to a big overbet bluff.

But is it a bluff? Couldn't it be TT555?

FlyingStart · #5 02-21-2007, 11:04 PM

No, I would fold here. On the flop villain is supposed to raise a set yes, but alot of players will just call with a set hoping that someone else will raise for them or atleast not scare everyone out (a little different here since he is in the SB and button already folded, but you still cant rule out a set)

On the turn he doesnt need to protect his hand anymore, so his checkcall is not that bad. He could be losing value by not raising sure. But it looks like he is trying to get that value back by reppin' the missed OESD or flushdraw on the river.

Another thing you should note here is that he checkcalled a pretty big bet OOP on the TURN after the board paired. This is not a very good way to play a draw...

I'd say he has a monster here and didnt know what to do to get paid.

Once you see a player doing this 1 time, 2 times etc more, it becomes something else. But in general unknowns dont bluff for almost 2x pot OOP when you've shown nothing but strength

Spechel EDD · #6 02-21-2007, 11:05 PM

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Looks like Quads - ul!

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yeah im thinking the same way. i dont see him playing 555TT this way. this is more than likely quads.

aejones · #7 02-21-2007, 11:07 PM

don't swallow it

FlyingStart · #8 02-21-2007, 11:12 PM

wow, I missed the fact that the board came running fives.

Hrmf, strange spot. But he has to put you on full house with something decent like what you have or QQ-AA, possibly a ten. And he is still shoving!

psuasskicker · #9 02-21-2007, 11:17 PM

What a weird hand. I'd say I don't see him slowplaying the turn anymore with a set or a 5, but I can't think he'd care much cause it's the perfect turn to do this if you've got a big hand like that and you intend to nuke the river like he did...

This is ugly. I probably fold cause I just can't see such a weird bluff when you've pretty clearly represented what you've actually got. If it's a bluff, it's a pretty good one assuming he actually knows you're capable of a fold.

If he doesn't know you're capable of a fold, I think you've gotta let it go here.

- C -

Surf · #10 02-21-2007, 11:58 PM

How can he have a 5, and

A) call the flop not closing the action (presumably with no draw, because there is no legit draw for him to have) and
B) not c/r the turn, or do SOMETHING other than call, on this board?

What's his reraising range like? Could have have QQ-AA here? This would be an out-of-character way for someone with his stats to play TT/77, I'd call in the moment because his line makes no sense with any big hand, but our hand looks pretty strong I can't imagine what he'd expect you to fold so a bluff seems out of place? Weird hand.

Surf