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raise raise raise raise
The villain here is an Asian woman who does not appear to play very well. We have established a bit of history while we were both in a 20 game waiting for the current 40 game. First, she witnessed me iso-raise a limper with T6 soooooted on the button and flop a straight, and made a snide remark after the hand (she was BB and had folded preflop). A couple of orbits later I open-raised KJo on the button, she defended her BB with QTo, c/c JTxx flop and turn and bet out on a T river, then smugly showed her hand and gave me a condescending look (I did not show my hand).
Anyhow we're now in the same 40 game. I open raise 77 UTG, she coldcalls from LP, blinds fold. Flop is KT7r. I bet, she raises, I 3-bet, she 4-bets, I 5-bet, and she says "nai han" and calls. I dark bet the turn, which happens to be a K, and she raises. At this point, is a 3-bet mandatory or spew? That is, does she have KT always here or is our limited history enough for her to go apeshit on the flop with KQ/KJ (I imagine she would have 3-bet me preflop with AK/KK/TT ~ 100% of the time). Granted, this is a very live-oriented, opponent-specific situation, but any comments/insights would be appreciated. |
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Re: raise raise raise raise
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Granted, this is a very live-oriented, opponent-specific situation, but any comments/insights would be appreciated. [/ QUOTE ] It is but she probably has a hand like AK, and once you dark-bet and the K hit the turn, she lost all sense of what happened on the flop, but she still knows what she has, and it just improved! |
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Re: raise raise raise raise
let me explain what is happening here
flop: her: "lol this kid raises every hand i got top pair raise raise raise oh noez he must have the american airlines" turn: "OMG THREE OF A KIND I CANT LOSE ROFLCOPTER RAISE AGAIN PRECIOUS" yes maybe she has KT. she also maybe has KJ-AK (leaning toward AK obviously) does anyone want to fold if we are 4bet on the turn? and would anyone rather call and c/r the river instead of raising now? |
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Re: raise raise raise raise
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let me explain what is happening here flop: her: "lol this kid raises every hand i got top pair raise raise raise oh noez he must have the american airlines" turn: "OMG THREE OF A KIND I CANT LOSE ROFLCOPTER RAISE AGAIN PRECIOUS" yes maybe she has KT. she also maybe has KJ-AK (leaning toward AK obviously) does anyone want to fold if we are 3bet on the turn? and would anyone rather call and c/r the river instead of raising now? [/ QUOTE ] we cant get 3bet. id likely never fold. an argument can be made for c/r/folding the river when a brick hits, but folding to people who hate us and are idiots is a bad idea. |
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Re: raise raise raise raise
obviously meant if we are 4bet, turns out the 3 and 4 keys are fairly close together. i think that 3betting is prob okay and while i hate to type stuff like this i am really afraid of being 4bet here bc i dont know if i have it in me to fold an obvious losing hand.
i had actually typed this all out before in a longer fashion but decided not to post and was gonna say if i 3bet and was 4bet on turn id prob make terrible calldown. however if i cr riv id probably payoff 3bet in case she now thinks AK is good somehow. |
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Re: raise raise raise raise
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The villain here is an Asian woman who does not appear to play very well. We have established a bit of history while we were both in a 20 game waiting for the current 40 game. First, she witnessed me iso-raise a limper with T6 soooooted on the button and flop a straight, and made a snide remark after the hand (she was BB and had folded preflop). A couple of orbits later I open-raised KJo on the button, she defended her BB with QTo, c/c JTxx flop and turn and bet out on a T river, then smugly showed her hand and gave me a condescending look (I did not show my hand). Anyhow we're now in the same 40 game. I open raise 77 UTG, she coldcalls from LP, blinds fold. Flop is KT7r. I bet, she raises, I 3-bet, she 4-bets, I 5-bet, and she says "nai han" and calls. I dark bet the turn, which happens to be a K, and she raises. At this point, is a 3-bet mandatory or spew? That is, does she have KT always here or is our limited history enough for her to go apeshit on the flop with KQ/KJ (I imagine she would have 3-bet me preflop with AK/KK/TT ~ 100% of the time). Granted, this is a very live-oriented, opponent-specific situation, but any comments/insights would be appreciated. [/ QUOTE ] i think she has KT every single time. |
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Re: raise raise raise raise
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[ QUOTE ] The villain here is an Asian woman who does not appear to play very well. We have established a bit of history while we were both in a 20 game waiting for the current 40 game. First, she witnessed me iso-raise a limper with T6 soooooted on the button and flop a straight, and made a snide remark after the hand (she was BB and had folded preflop). A couple of orbits later I open-raised KJo on the button, she defended her BB with QTo, c/c JTxx flop and turn and bet out on a T river, then smugly showed her hand and gave me a condescending look (I did not show my hand). Anyhow we're now in the same 40 game. I open raise 77 UTG, she coldcalls from LP, blinds fold. Flop is KT7r. I bet, she raises, I 3-bet, she 4-bets, I 5-bet, and she says "nai han" and calls. I dark bet the turn, which happens to be a K, and she raises. At this point, is a 3-bet mandatory or spew? That is, does she have KT always here or is our limited history enough for her to go apeshit on the flop with KQ/KJ (I imagine she would have 3-bet me preflop with AK/KK/TT ~ 100% of the time). Granted, this is a very live-oriented, opponent-specific situation, but any comments/insights would be appreciated. [/ QUOTE ] i think she has KT every single time. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: raise raise raise raise
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The villain here is an Asian woman who does not appear to play very well. We have established a bit of history while we were both in a 20 game waiting for the current 40 game. First, she witnessed me iso-raise a limper with T6 soooooted on the button and flop a straight, and made a snide remark after the hand (she was BB and had folded preflop). A couple of orbits later I open-raised KJo on the button, she defended her BB with QTo, c/c JTxx flop and turn and bet out on a T river, then smugly showed her hand and gave me a condescending look (I did not show my hand). Anyhow we're now in the same 40 game. I open raise 77 UTG, she coldcalls from LP, blinds fold. Flop is KT7r. I bet, she raises, I 3-bet, she 4-bets, I 5-bet, and she says "nai han" and calls. I dark bet the turn, which happens to be a K, and she raises. At this point, is a 3-bet mandatory or spew? That is, does she have KT always here or is our limited history enough for her to go apeshit on the flop with KQ/KJ (I imagine she would have 3-bet me preflop with AK/KK/TT ~ 100% of the time). Granted, this is a very live-oriented, opponent-specific situation, but any comments/insights would be appreciated. [/ QUOTE ] i think she has KT every single time. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] i never said i'd fold. |
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Re: raise raise raise raise
'alright ni han' just always means "well [censored] all if you can beat this hand, I guess i just call down though"
In other words it's pacified strength. I think she has KT tons and tons and that 3betting is pretty bad. Also consider that her AK now only additionally beats T7 and AA. She can't feel too much better about her hand if she's done any hand reading at all. Her entire range of reasonable hands beats yours so just call down. |
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Re: raise raise raise raise
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i think she has KT every single time. i never said i'd fold. [/ QUOTE ] Well if she has KT every single time, don't you have to fold? Garland |
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