Maybe I won't c-bet this time...

[Aaron W.]

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don't be a pansy, bet/call, fold.

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What is the logic of calling a raise and folding the turn UI?

[scpi10]

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grunch

I cb when the board looks like this after I raise preflop. I'm sure checking is the better play, but if I knew how to play I'd win money not lose it.

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Response below in white... Still trying not to sway other people's responses.
<font color="white">That is a pretty big leak if you ask me.</font>

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My post was a little generic. I cb in spots like this when I'm up against unknowns who CC my preflop raise. The bet is for info and not for value. I realize that betting for info is frowned upon, but I can find out whether these players will fold to agression after the flop on a broadway board.
I don't disagree with you about it being a leak but I felt my post needed to be explained better.

[Smurph64]

crap flop, against 3 others this is going nowhere. check and I need at least 12 to 1 to call a bet here.

[Fadook]

GRUNCH: I'm ok with giving up. The only good thing about that flop for you is that it's monotone.

[marchron]

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GRUNCH: I'm ok with giving up. The only good thing about that flop for you is that it's rainbow.

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FYP. Monotone is the exact opposite.

[KitCloudkicker]

ok obviously this was posted for reason. so why is betting here good?

and if betting here is good, then like 90% of the advice given on this forum on how to continue multiway when the flop comes with 2+ overs to your pair must be wrong.

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c-betting is awful here

Just give up. I would c-bet HU. Not 3-way. Definetely not 4-way.

[Sushiglutton]

Hrm hrrm, c/f hero should do.

[bravos1]

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ok obviously this was posted for reason. so why is betting here good?

and if betting here is good, then like 90% of the advice given on this forum on how to continue multiway when the flop comes with 2+ overs to your pair must be wrong.

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Do you really think Aaron is advocating a bet here?

[bravos1]

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Aaron... I think there are some stuff in the reads department. Namely your image at the time! Also I think Button or the BB was the biggest fish on PS.

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Pretty sure it was BB.

I think AW put "no reads" to make it a more generic situation. At his specific table, I think the choice is even more clear. Details later if you wish, but I'm gonna let some others post their thoughts.

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oh and one other thing... I don't think reads (even the best reads, unless they all show you their cards), ever changes this situation.