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11-30-2007, 03:42 AM
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Re: Argh property rights debate
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[ QUOTE ] Give me your wallet is enough to prove that people who don't think property exists are either saying stuff they don't really believe for their own purposes or batshit insane. The grey area null zone crap we can deal with in the other 1000 threads on the topic but lets say once and for all that "property rights don't exist" is a self detonating argument. [/ QUOTE ] The fact that someone gets upset when you ask for their wallet has nothing to do with rights. If I steal your wallet, and then you ask for it back, I am not going to willingly give it you, despite the fact that I have no reasonably property claim to it. The reason that I don't give it back is because I feel I am better off with the wallet than without it. It is a utility-based decision and not a rights-based one. And it is the same decision process I go through if you demand something that I have a more legitimate legal claim to. [/ QUOTE ] But you still recognize property rights, you just believe like our sociopath friend here that your property right is "whatever you can get your hands on and defend" 
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11-30-2007, 04:31 AM
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Re: Argh property rights debate
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Give me your wallet is enough to prove that people who don't think property exists are either saying stuff they don't really believe for their own purposes or batshit insane. The grey area null zone crap we can deal with in the other 1000 threads on the topic but lets say once and for all that "property rights don't exist" is a self detonating argument. [/ QUOTE ] The fact that someone gets upset when you ask for their wallet has nothing to do with rights. If I steal your wallet, and then you ask for it back, I am not going to willingly give it you, despite the fact that I have no reasonably property claim to it. The reason that I don't give it back is because I feel I am better off with the wallet than without it. It is a utility-based decision and not a rights-based one. And it is the same decision process I go through if you demand something that I have a more legitimate legal claim to. [/ QUOTE ] But you still recognize property rights, you just believe like our sociopath friend here that your property right is "whatever you can get your hands on and defend" [/ QUOTE ] No, in this example I am not saying I have a "right" to anything. Just that I will do benefits me and not do what doesn't benefit me. You can say this is sociopathic, but that is just your opinion, and has nothing to do with my actual believe system. I think it is sociopathic when people claim they don't have a moral obligation to pay taxes. Does that mean they don't actually believe what they say they believe?
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11-30-2007, 11:56 AM
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Re: Argh property rights debate
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I think it is sociopathic when people claim they don't have a moral obligation to pay taxes. Does that mean they don't actually believe what they say they believe? [/ QUOTE ] How do you figure this? If I say I don't have a moral obligation to give "my" wallet to a mugger, do you think that if I get mugged and give my wallet up I don't believe what I say? I don't have a moral obligation to eat a cheeseburger. I did, however, eat a cheeseburger last night. Contradiction?
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