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07-20-2007, 10:24 AM
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Re: If you could go back into time to 1980 as a baseball GM.
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I think it's Gwynn and that it's not particularly close. [/ QUOTE ] Ripken's defense is HIGHLY overrated. His range was probably a good bit below average for a shortstop. It is unbelievable that someone compared him to Vizquel in this thread. 
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#13
07-20-2007, 10:30 AM
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Re: If you could go back into time to 1980 as a baseball GM.
Ripken by a lot. Gwynn is one of the most overrated hitters of his generation because of the high BA, Ripken's defense was always underrated because he was tall.
Ripken was an average to above average hitter in an era when teams started dogshit at SS.
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#14
07-20-2007, 10:51 AM
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Re: If you could go back into time to 1980 as a baseball GM.
I'm not sure about either defensively, but here is the following.
Career BA: .338 vs .276: Huge Edge Tony Career HR: 135 vs 431: Huge Edge Cal Career OPS: .847 vs .787 Edge Tony Career OPS+: 132 vs 112 Big Edge Tony RBI: 1138 vs 1695: Big Edge Cal SB: 319 vs 36: Huge Edge Tony Career OBP: .380 vs .340: Big Edge Tony I don't think Tony was that overrated. His stats are very good for hitters. Tony was a 5 time GGer, Cal was a 2 time (I guess he had Omar to go against). Tony's AB/SO #s are also much better than Cals.
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07-20-2007, 11:07 AM
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Re: If you could go back into time to 1980 as a baseball GM.
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lol at this being debated. its ripken, and no kids its not even close. [/ QUOTE ] Capone is winning this thread as he's the only one who has brought any stats to the table other than "omgzz not close" and "ripken was a great/average/below average fielder IMO".
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#18
07-20-2007, 11:07 AM
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Re: If you could go back into time to 1980 as a baseball GM.
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Picking Tony could make you the worst GM... Possibly ever. [/ QUOTE ] No it wouldn't since Ripken wasn't even in the draft. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#19
07-20-2007, 11:13 AM
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Re: If you could go back into time to 1980 as a baseball GM.
ripken, didn't have range in the traditional sense but he had great positioning depending on the batter and sometimes depending on the pitch... he got to a lot of balls this way even though he wasn't the fleetest of foot out there...
alot of folks like to apply the same thing to jeter except jeter doesn't get to a lot of balls... a singles hitting corner OF is not very good.. as far as making contact solid contact with a baseball, i have no doubt gwynn's one of the best ever but ripken beats him in all aspects...
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#20
07-20-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: If you could go back into time to 1980 as a baseball GM.
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[ QUOTE ] lol at this being debated. its ripken, and no kids its not even close. [/ QUOTE ] Capone is winning this thread as he's the only one who has brought any stats to the table other than "omgzz not close" and "ripken was a great/average/below average fielder IMO". [/ QUOTE ] VayaConDios won the thread with the first reply. ripken warp3 career: 170 or so gwynn: 120 or so if i asked you who would you pick if you were the GM of an NBA team 10 years ago, tim duncan or tracy mccrady, would you actually provide stats?
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