Interesting Draw with situational questions

DP388 · #1 04-24-2007, 05:50 PM

This is a hand that a friend of mine (BulldogMafia) was involved in and it brought up some interesting questions about how to play this hand and big draws in general. I'll hold off on our opinions until there is some feedback.

This is a $20/180 with about 20 players left. Assume no reads (he didn't give me any).

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (7 handed)

Hero (t12234)
BB (t7041)
UTG (t7150)
MP1 (t9554)
MP2 (t19833)
CO (t31417)
Button (t14175)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t1200, 2 folds, CO calls t1200, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t4650) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)

Some of the questions that came up as we were discussing it:

1. Do we want a call or do we want a fold? This is a question specific to this hand, but also big draws in general.

2. What hands are we putting UTG and CO on?

3. What is the best line here based on #1 & #2?

4. Is there a case for folding pre-flop?

Poisoned · #2 04-24-2007, 06:16 PM

fold pre

JohnFR · #3 04-24-2007, 06:25 PM

you fold pre getting 8 to 1? wow, you are tight.

JohnFR · #4 04-24-2007, 06:29 PM

On to the hand
1. We want some action but if we can get some action with no showdown that is better.
2. UTG: 55+,AT+,KQ CO 22+,AT+,KT+,QJ
3. I default check-raise here. We don't mind being all-in at all, and almost no way this checks around.
4. Never

Cheers!
John

Poisoned · #5 04-24-2007, 08:37 PM

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you fold pre getting 8 to 1? wow, you are tight.

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with a crappy hand, with only 10 BB with a hand thats only any good if a flop exactly like this or 2 pair+ hits? yes

GotQuads · #6 04-24-2007, 08:48 PM

TimberBee, I think your UTG range is too wide. I don't see him limping with deuces in that spot. He's desperate so limping indicates a big hand if he's a solid player.

I see a flop here too, but folding is certainly good as well.

hERESY · #7 04-24-2007, 08:55 PM

I'd crai, but I can't make a case for it... I'd just do it.

mastr · #8 04-24-2007, 08:52 PM

huge leak if you fold PF here
Edit: tons of exaggeration

Poisoned · #9 04-24-2007, 08:54 PM

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huge leak if you fold PF here
Edit: tons of exaggeration

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i think its a huge leak if youre completing crap with only 10 BB.

cybin · #10 04-25-2007, 02:49 PM

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you fold pre getting 8 to 1? wow, you are tight.

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7 to 1 (7 half BBs in the pot to your completion.)