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Old 09-25-2007, 06:29 PM
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Default Re: QJs 200BB deep & I have the button

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Raising the flop makes his life very tough if he has AA or KK so I prefer it.

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raising flop makes life tough for AQ and KQs not AA and KK
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:32 PM
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Default Re: QJs 200BB deep & I have the button

if you were gonna push boss you'd be better off doing it on the flop. I'd just call the $95 as he could be double barreling and if he isn't we'll get the $241 left in his stack if we hit.
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:33 PM
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Default Re: QJs 200BB deep & I have the button

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Raising the flop makes his life very tough if he has AA or KK so I prefer it.

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raising flop makes life tough for AQ and KQs not AA and KK

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Indeed no one folds overpairs in a 3bet pot.
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:33 PM
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Default Re: QJs 200BB deep & I have the button

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Button ($194)
SB ($268.35)
BB ($401.45)
UTG ($336.05)
MP ($478.60)
Hero ($574.25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $26</font>, Hero calls $20.

Flop: ($53) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $39</font>, Hero calls $39.

Turn: ($131) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $95</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $509.25</font>

good?

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yuck

i think raising flop is ok, but i can see calling

raising turn once your equity has halved the turn semi-blanks (he's not gonna give you credit for 64) and the pot is getting big is pretty bad imo

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ur stacking off w/ AA/KK here?
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: QJs 200BB deep & I have the button

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Button ($194)
SB ($268.35)
BB ($401.45)
UTG ($336.05)
MP ($478.60)
Hero ($574.25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $26</font>, Hero calls $20.

Flop: ($53) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $39</font>, Hero calls $39.

Turn: ($131) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $95</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $509.25</font>

good?

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yuck

i think raising flop is ok, but i can see calling

raising turn once your equity has halved the turn semi-blanks (he's not gonna give you credit for 64) and the pot is getting big is pretty bad imo

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ur stacking off w/ AA/KK here?

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i am, but i would also cr the turn or not donk the flop

he's line looks kinda weird.... if he has air, you def. don't want to raise him
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: QJs 200BB deep & I have the button

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Raising the flop makes his life very tough if he has AA or KK so I prefer it.

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raising flop makes life tough for AQ and KQs not AA and KK

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Well clearly he's not gonna fold flop with AA or KK, but if you raise the flop and fire again turn and possibly river he's gonna [censored] in his pants with AA.
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: QJs 200BB deep & I have the button

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Raising the flop makes his life very tough if he has AA or KK so I prefer it.

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raising flop makes life tough for AQ and KQs not AA and KK

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Well clearly he's not gonna fold flop with AA or KK, but if you raise the flop and fire again turn and possibly river he's gonna [censored] in his pants with AA.

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and call... if he calls a flop raise, the pot is gonna be huge on the turn, and he's not folding anything
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:43 PM
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Default Re: QJs 200BB deep & I have the button

You really think he's gonna stack off so easily with AA or KK for 200BBs here?
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: QJs 200BB deep & I have the button

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Raising the flop makes his life very tough if he has AA or KK so I prefer it.

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raising flop makes life tough for AQ and KQs not AA and KK

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Raising turn makes life difficult for everything. It really looks like you flopped a set.

I think OP's line is perfect. BALANCE [censored]
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: QJs 200BB deep & I have the button

I like a raise on the flop (miniraise could be fun). If he 3 bets, insta push, if he flat call, check turn, cause you will be behind.

As played, a raise on the turn is very bad I think. I prefer a call/fold river UI.
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