Situation while "running it twice" during home cash game

[ivgotthenuts]

yeh thanks, i thought i was right with the 75/25 but wasn't sure. It wasn't a big deal and I didn't get screwed that bad, it only ended up being like a 10 dollar difference. It was my cousin i was in the pot with anyway so no worries just wanted to see what the rules were.

[RR]

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you got screwed. next time get the rules straight before you do deals. that kind of stuff happens all the time.
when we first started doing running twice in the 1980's we physically split the pot into two kinda equal looking piles and ran it for each. so no fights and no having to stack and split the pot and hold up the game.

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It has been a long time since I have seen this. I had forgotten that they would just split it into tow piles and deal for each instead of stacking and splitting even.

[garcia1000]

Whatever you do, definitely do not play any hi-lo games

[pacino]

solution: don't be stupid and run it twice

[M4TT]

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you got screwed. next time get the rules straight before you do deals.

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It's hard to think of establishing these kinds of rules with other people at home games or reminding them of all intricacies...

It's very much based on common sense. You'd think most people who thought logically would come to a 75-25 conclusion.

[Bulldog]

wtf

75/25 duh

[PokerintheI]

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solution: don't be stupid and run it twice

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On it's face, running it two or three times isn't stupid. Although people do it in stupid situations. I have offered this option several times when making a large bet into a pot with someone who is on just a draw. Getting them to call a large 3/4 pot sized bet with 12 outs and one card to come, when they would otherwise fold is +EV. (particularly if some of that pot is dead money)

Getting your opponent with a set to run it twice when you are behind with a draw and already have the money in is definitely +EV.

Offering it or accepting it when you are ahead and your opponent has already called is stupid. (unless of course there are some meta-game issues involved, like keeping the fish happy and in the game)

[Taso]

"do it when you are behind, don't do it when you are ahead"

The reason people do it when they are ahead, is so that others will do likewise for them.

[chillrob]

Running it twice is never +EV. It is never -EV.
(These are assuming it is done properly, not the messed up way the OP's game did it).
The point is not changing your EV, it is lowering variance, which it does for both players, regardless of their equity.

[CrazyJoe113]

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solution: don't be stupid and run it twice

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On it's face, running it two or three times isn't stupid. Although people do it in stupid situations. I have offered this option several times when making a large bet into a pot with someone who is on just a draw. Getting them to call a large 3/4 pot sized bet with 12 outs and one card to come, when they would otherwise fold is +EV. (particularly if some of that pot is dead money)

Getting your opponent with a set to run it twice when you are behind with a draw and already have the money in is definitely +EV.

Offering it or accepting it when you are ahead and your opponent has already called is stupid. (unless of course there are some meta-game issues involved, like keeping the fish happy and in the game)

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"do it when you are behind, don't do it when you are ahead"

The reason people do it when they are ahead, is so that others will do likewise for them.

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how is it possible that people who know enough about poker to come to 2+2 think these things are true. or are we being double levelled?