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#111
10-02-2007, 01:57 PM
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Re: Did He Touch Home?
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For the record, when Holliday tagged up and went face first in the dirt and (maybe) scored....the guy on first stayed on first. I saw a replay with him just standing there close to first. Mute point, but dumb. [/ QUOTE ] That was just bad base running and coaching if so. You KNOW the throw is coming home, so why are you not tagging and heading to second in the event your guy doesn't score? 
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#112
10-02-2007, 01:59 PM
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So, no, this did not cost you the game. Quit crying. [/ QUOTE ] I think an apparently incorrect call that ends the game does in fact qualify as "costing you the game." Yes the Padres had many other chances on previous days to get into the playoffs. However, just because they could not capitalize on those chances does not mean they should not be complaining about a bad call that keeps them out of the playoffs.
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#114
10-02-2007, 02:01 PM
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Re: Did He Touch Home?
Was there a above the plate replay of this?
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#115
10-02-2007, 02:02 PM
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[ QUOTE ] For the record, when Holliday tagged up and went face first in the dirt and (maybe) scored....the guy on first stayed on first. I saw a replay with him just standing there close to first. Mute point, but dumb. [/ QUOTE ] That was just bad base running and coaching if so. You KNOW the throw is coming home, so why are you not tagging and heading to second in the event your guy doesn't score? [/ QUOTE ] Helton was at first and it is not like him to not have his head in the game if he was indeed still sitting on first. And it's not coaching at that point....just bad baserunning/focus.
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#116
10-02-2007, 02:04 PM
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I was very surprised that they sent him on such a shallow fly considering that there were no outs. [/ QUOTE ] Me too, especially now that I know how slow Matt Holliday is. Hahaha. That was brutal. The rainbow toss vs. the slow motion runner. Who's gonna win?
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#117
10-02-2007, 02:13 PM
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Was anyone surprised they didn't walk the bases loaded? [/ QUOTE ] I thought about that at the time, but I think the Padres were more concerned about not letting Todd Helton beat them than anything else. The TBS guys were are making it very clear that Carroll was basically a defensive replacement. I don't know much about him as a hitter, but obviously SD felt he was the right guy to pitch to. Also, I think walking the bases loaded puts a lot of extra pressure on the pitcher and takes away his margin for error. Even though Trevor Hoffman is a Hall of Famer, I think Bud Black felt more comfortable knowing that if Hoffman lost the next batter on four balls, it wouldn't cost them the game. In this situation, I think 1st and 3rd is pretty close to the same situation as bases loaded from the defense's perspective. All the infielders are playing in. Anything on the ground to any of them is coming home. While a tag play might be slightly more difficult than setting up the force at home, on most groundballs that are able to be fielded by a drawn in infield, I don't think it makes a big difference.
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#118
10-02-2007, 02:20 PM
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Re: Did He Touch Home?
1st and 3rd no outs is a completely different situation than the bases loaded no outs when you absolutely cannot let one run score.
You can't go for the DP because the runner on third comes home. It's better to load up the bases to AT LEAST get the force at home if not the X-2-3 double play.
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#119
10-02-2007, 02:25 PM
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1st and 3rd no outs is a completely different situation than the bases loaded no outs when you absolutely cannot let one run score. You can't go for the DP because the runner on third comes home. It's better to load up the bases to AT LEAST get the force at home if not the X-2-3 double play. [/ QUOTE ] if I remember ev right it was .894 for bl and .9 for 1 and 3rd, but the difference between carroll and helton probably makes that enough to not walk him.
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#120
10-02-2007, 02:27 PM
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Re: Did He Touch Home?
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1st and 3rd no outs is a completely different situation than the bases loaded no outs when you absolutely cannot let one run score. You can't go for the DP because the runner on third comes home. It's better to load up the bases to AT LEAST get the force at home if not the X-2-3 double play. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. I think he has to walk anyone, barring the pitcher MAYBE, to load the bases in this situation. Either case is crappy, but with the bases loaded, it's a better one to be in.
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