NL 50 KK line check

Keyser112 · #1 09-13-2007, 12:11 PM

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($55.05)
SB ($57.85)
BB ($32.20)
UTG ($44.65)
UTG+1 ($32)
Hero ($50)
MP2 ($34.45)
MP3 ($50)
CO ($40.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, CO calls $2.25, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $1.75.

Flop: ($7.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $3, Hero raises to $8.5, CO folds, UTG+1 raises to $32.75 (All-In), Hero calls $21.25.

Turn: ($67) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($67) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $67

Mike Kelley · #2 09-13-2007, 12:14 PM

Did you put him on a 1 big diamond here? I like it.

threads13 · #3 09-13-2007, 12:17 PM

Readless I think it is ok. I think he will do this with a worse hand often enough to get the money in here. A read could change this a lot though.

AlexB182 · #4 09-13-2007, 12:23 PM

I honestly don't know whether I call villains shove, I'd very much prefer having the K of diamonds here.
You have to call 21.25 to win a 67$ pot, and though you might be good here one time in three, I think I muck here.
Reasons: a made flush is def in his range here, everything from AKs to ATs or KQs and KJs. Problem is, versus a lot of the other hands in his range you're also behind, like every made set here and against something like AdTx you're only a 2% fav:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { AdTs }

So, folding would be my option here.

threads13 · #5 09-13-2007, 12:28 PM

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I honestly don't know whether I call villains shove, I'd very much prefer having the K of diamonds here.
You have to call 21.25 to win a 67$ pot, and though you might be good here one time in three, I think I muck here.
Reasons: a made flush is def in his range here, everything from AKs to ATs or KQs and KJs. Problem is, versus a lot of the other hands in his range you're also behind, like every made set here and against something like AdTx you're only a 2% fav:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { AdTs }

So, folding would be my option here.

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Not that I am agreeing or disagreeing, but if you want to fold then you shouldn't raise.

Mike Kelley · #6 09-13-2007, 12:31 PM

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I honestly don't know whether I call villains shove, I'd very much prefer having the K of diamonds here.
You have to call 21.25 to win a 67$ pot, and though you might be good here one time in three, I think I muck here.
Reasons: a made flush is def in his range here, everything from AKs to ATs or KQs and KJs. Problem is, versus a lot of the other hands in his range you're also behind, like every made set here and against something like AdTx you're only a 2% fav:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { AdTs }

So, folding would be my option here.

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Hand 0: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { AdTs }

50/50 on a 3 to 1 shot and he's something like 117-1 to flop the flush If my KK lines up with villain hitting his 117-1 shot then oh well.

If he limp calls AKs make a note. I don't think that's a profitable play.

AlexB182 · #7 09-13-2007, 12:35 PM

Just adding up all of his possible hands, of course limping AKs would be a strange play and I know that flopping a flush doesn't happen too often at all.
But, looking at villains line (b/3b on flop) I don't see to many hands we beat here...

threads13 · #8 09-13-2007, 12:43 PM

Heh, I limp AK sometimes but I generally don't smooth call the raise. Depends on the stack size because it might be alright sometimes.

mmctrab · #9 09-13-2007, 12:44 PM

Why are we only considering flushes and flush draws here? I think a set certainly is possible. I would fold to the shove. I think we're looking at a set or a made flush. I think the flop raise is good, however.

Chargers In 07 · #10 09-13-2007, 12:48 PM

I think this is a good example of what PNLHE was talking about when they say something like "when your opponent shows strength consider what hands you're way ahead of and what hands you're way behind. If you can't think of more hands you're way ahead of, you should fold". Paraphrased of course. OP is not way ahead of any hand.