Shouldn't socialists support Ron Paul?

[The once and future king]

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No one has mentioned that in true Marxist theoretical system there is no State. He predicted that after the revolution of the proletariat the state would dissolve and all associations would be voluntary.

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There is a transitional period wherin the state has HUGE control and full control over capital. It is not clear exactly how the state would dissolve and seize to exist.

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There is no transitional period in pure Marxist theory. The transition happens due to historical and material social forces. It would be an "organic" process that happened "naturally".

Soviet Marxists theorized that a strong "state" would be needed to over see the transition when the historical requirements were not in place e.g. a mature fully industrialised economy and a fully developed social class of proletariat.

Because this did not exist in Russia at the time of the the revolution (russians were mostly peasants not proles)Soviet marxists such as Lenin and Trotsky created the idea of the Vanguard who would take controll of society and economy and manage it till the right conditions did exist at which point the Vangard would no longer be necessary.

However it is true that MArx was very vague about how exactly the state would dissolve in practise come the revolution.

[John Kilduff]

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No one has mentioned that in true Marxist theoretical system there is no State. He predicted that after the revolution of the proletariat the state would dissolve and all associations would be voluntary.

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Bad prediction apparently.

[The once and future king]

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No one has mentioned that in true Marxist theoretical system there is no State. He predicted that after the revolution of the proletariat the state would dissolve and all associations would be voluntary.

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Bad prediction apparently.

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If Marx was a doctor he would be brilliant at diagnosis but crap at providing cures for the diagnosis.

[John Kilduff]

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No one has mentioned that in true Marxist theoretical system there is no State. He predicted that after the revolution of the proletariat the state would dissolve and all associations would be voluntary.

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Bad prediction apparently.

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If Marx was a doctor he would be brilliant at diagnosis but crap at providing cures for the diagnosis.

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Lol, very good.

I wonder which will turn out to be more naively delusional, Marx's cure for the problems of capitalism or Bush's cure for the problems of the Middle East.

[The once and future king]

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No one has mentioned that in true Marxist theoretical system there is no State. He predicted that after the revolution of the proletariat the state would dissolve and all associations would be voluntary.

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Bad prediction apparently.

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If Marx was a doctor he would be brilliant at diagnosis but crap at providing cures for the diagnosis.

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Lol, very good.

I wonder which will turn out to be more naively delusional, Marx's cure for the problems of capitalism or Bush's cure for the problems of the Middle East.

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Well at least Marx gets his predictions wrong because of his reliance on the logical methodology of Hegel, I doubt Bush could read one sentence of Hegel.

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There is no transitional period in pure Marxist theory.

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What would you call the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat," exactly?

[Misfire]

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The Native Americans created a voluntary socialist commnunity, it worked pretty well for them.

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You and I have different ideas of what constitutes working well.

[Copernicus]

Oh yeah? what about Greenland then? (or was it Iceland) [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]