Deep Live Hand Vs. Very Good-looking Man

[cero_z]

Hi everyone,

This hand happened in a 3/5 NL game with a $600 max buy in. The game is typically loose and weak, as you'd expect at these limits--probably something akin to .50-1 online, skill-wise, not that deep live games play the same as online games.

I had just moved to the table, and hadn't picked up any cards in the 15 or so hands I'd seen so far, and I'd been quiet. 8 handed, I picked up T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the SB. 5 limpers to me, I completed, and the BB checked. I started the hand with about $1200.

The flop was 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], and I led out for $20. Folded to a MP limper, who called; he was a ridiculous donk who I'd seen limp pf with Q3o, then call a $30 raise back to him. Post-flop, he was loose, fairly passive, and clueless. He had about $700. I put him on any pair or any draw, including 2 overcards Like AQ or KQ.

Some other guys folded, and then the main Villain in this hand called as well. He was a super-loose, pretty aggressive, table captain-type. He was also strikingly handsome; not sure if that has any bearing on the action, though. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] He had over $3K. His range was pretty much any 2 cards with some relation to this flop. Everyone else folded.

The turn was the J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], giving me a straight and putting two flush draws on board. I led out for $45, the donk called, which I didn't think he'd do with a straight, and then Villain made it $350.

How do you proceed here? Is this an easy laydown, because he's got a T at least, here, and my implied odds are terrible? It seems weak to just fold a straight to a guy who plays every hand. Then there's the donk to think about; I felt that after calling my 2nd bet, his most likely hand was a flush draw, but he could still have something like KQ or J5, believe it or not. Anyway, what's your plan here?

[AAismyfriend]

I would just fold, I would probably play q9 like this in a live 2-5 game because nobody folds a straight in live poker.

[mike0292]

So he has at least a ten, whats your point? easiest shove ever.

[Requin]

So you're sure the handsome guy had at least a 9? I'd probably call, there's a decent chance the main donk will overcall and provide you a ton of equity. I also think that maximizing the chance at an overcall is more important than protecting against draws, especially because it sounds like FDs won't make up that much of this donk's range, that range being so wide.

[aejones]

tl;dr yet, but i didn't know we'd ever play live before?

[KRANTZ]

sweet suicide, cero :-)

i don't mind a fold here. reverse implied odds are badddd on a call, and you can probably find a better spot soon where you're sure you're way ahead.

[Dan BRIGHT]

I muck the straight. btw sometimes its hard being a very good looking man in poker.

[aislephive]

I think this is a clear fold unless he is an absolute donk. The board is double suited and we have neither suit in our hand, so the chances he has the straight with a flush redraw is pretty decent. Not to mention that something like Q9 is definitely in his range and would be a standard flop call with a straight draw to the nuts and likely stacking a lower straight. His enourmous raise makes me think that he is specifically looking to get all in against a 9 here which he doesn't think will fold. It would be a really ballsy move with anything but a straight here, because he really shouldn't expect anybody to lay down a straight here regardless if you will or not. I'm not entirely sure of the equity you have for a split pot, but I would venture to say that it's not worth it to risk your entire stack on chopping a pretty small pot when you could very reasonably be drawing dead to a chop (3 outs) or be up against the same hand with a flush redraw which has 9 outs against you (up to 12 if he has something like K9).

I guess that might make you exploitable theoretically that he can make this move with the same hand as you and steal the pot, but that's pretty silly to even consider in a donkish live game. This is a fold, IMO.

[AAismyfriend]

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So he has at least a ten, whats your point? easiest shove ever.

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you're kidding right?

[CaptDEEbo]

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So he has at least a ten, whats your point? easiest shove ever.

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you're kidding right?

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folding this hand is suicide