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11-14-2007, 08:49 PM
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Re: 20/40 I\'m a Payoff Machine
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Im not a fan of calling any of them, of course id rather have 99 than JJ though. [/ QUOTE ] Better way of putting it. To be honest, except for a few posts, I think the analysis in this thread has been pretty shoddy and most of my IM conversations seem to agree. Thoughts on SBs range? What hands would you weight more strongly and which would you discount? 
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#23
11-15-2007, 05:58 AM
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Re: 20/40 I\'m a Payoff Machine
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[ QUOTE ] this is standard. Folding makes baby jesus cry. [/ QUOTE ] Um, raise/fold? Why not raise the turn? same price, and he might fold a paired Queen? If he reraises, you know you are dead. I don't really like call turn, call river here. [/ QUOTE ] What? That doesn't make any sense at all. The only hand he's folding is a Q. Besides that, we'd usually just be charging ourselves to draw if we did that.
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#24
11-15-2007, 07:08 AM
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Does anyone think it is ridiculous to call TT-99[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and fold JJ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]? [/ QUOTE ] Why would that make sense, I'm confused.
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#26
11-15-2007, 09:46 AM
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Re: 20/40 I\'m a Payoff Machine
Pretty convinced he's got KJo with either the K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] aren't you?
I can't see calling the river.
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#27
11-15-2007, 09:48 AM
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Re: 20/40 I\'m a Payoff Machine
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[ QUOTE ] Does anyone think it is ridiculous to call TT-99[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and fold JJ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]? [/ QUOTE ] Why would that make sense, I'm confused. [/ QUOTE ] Adding the J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] to my hand removes it from villain's range. Again, haven't really gotten anything out of anyone. What is SBs range?
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#28
11-15-2007, 08:22 PM
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Re: 20/40 I\'m a Payoff Machine
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Does anyone think it is ridiculous to call TT-99[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and fold JJ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]? [/ QUOTE ] Why would that make sense, I'm confused. [/ QUOTE ] Adding the J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] to my hand removes it from villain's range. Again, haven't really gotten anything out of anyone. What is SBs range? [/ QUOTE ] Ok, I'll take a stab at it since no one else will: How about A with a good kicker (since he called a pre-flop raise)? Maybe with a good [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] maybe without. He could have K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], he could have J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], either of which he's not folding to any raise. Or maybe he has two pair AQ? He's not folding that either. Then of course, there's the standard made flush, bottom set. He could have a Queen and still beat you. The only reason you can call the river is because you've seen villain make a move on the field before, because you can only really beat a bluff. Folding the river is standard, and since he's a complete unknown, I'd be hard-pressed to give him credit for anything but a good hand. So yeah, calling the river would be...extraordinary. Bad time for a heroic call. I can only guess you wanted to look him up for info, but there are other times for that. Personally, I think raising is better than calling, but folding is still best by a long country mile. Garland
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#29
11-15-2007, 08:27 PM
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Re: 20/40 I\'m a Payoff Machine
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To be honest, except for a few posts, I think the analysis in this thread has been pretty shoddy and most of my IM conversations seem to agree. [/ QUOTE ]*sigh* I was hoping I'd be pleasantly surprised when I opened this thread.
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#30
11-15-2007, 09:00 PM
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Re: 20/40 I\'m a Payoff Machine
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How about A with a good kicker (since he called a pre-flop raise)? Maybe with a good [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] maybe without. He could have K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], he could have J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], either of which he's not folding to any raise. Or maybe he has two pair AQ? He's not folding that either. Then of course, there's the standard made flush, bottom set. He could have a Queen and still beat you. The only reason you can call the river is because you've seen villain make a move on the field before, because you can only really beat a bluff. Folding the river is standard, and since he's a complete unknown, I'd be hard-pressed to give him credit for anything but a good hand. So yeah, calling the river would be...extraordinary. Bad time for a heroic call. I can only guess you wanted to look him up for info, but there are other times for that. Personally, I think raising is better than calling, but folding is still best by a long country mile. Garland [/ QUOTE ] Nice post. Another question, how should you play K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]?
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