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Old 08-26-2007, 06:34 PM
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Default NL100 - KK oop against TAG

I suck at these spots, villain is a solid TAG running 19/13/3. FWIW I haven't seen him 3betting anything but monsters, so I think that it's likely that he just flat called AQ, I really don't know if he would raise the flop with it though. How do you people proceed and why?


B2B No Limit Hold'em Cashgame
Blinds: €50,00 / €1,00
Players: 6
B2B Hand Converter from One Of A Kind

MP - Hero (€100,00)
CO (€252,16)
Button (€156,35)
SB (€154,76)
BB (€69,23)
UTG (€99,00)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to €3,50</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls €3,50, SB calls €3,00, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>

Flop: (€61,00) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets €8,00</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to €25,00</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???
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Old 08-26-2007, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - KK oop against TAG

S-H-O-V-E

This is AQ/draw/set (not topset). What does Pokerstove say?
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Old 08-26-2007, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - KK oop against TAG

Probably fold.
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Old 08-26-2007, 06:45 PM
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Old 08-26-2007, 06:48 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - KK oop against TAG

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.934% 52.93% 00.00% 10481 0.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 47.066% 47.07% 00.00% 9319 0.00 { 66, 33, AhKh, AQs, 5h4h, AQo }

AhKh excluded (3bets pf?):

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.929% 52.93% 00.00% 9956 0.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 47.071% 47.07% 00.00% 8854 0.00 { 66, 33, AQs, 5h4h, AQo }

5h4h exluded (folds pf?):

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.440% 53.44% 00.00% 9523 0.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 46.560% 46.56% 00.00% 8297 0.00 { 66, 33, AQs, AQo }
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Old 08-26-2007, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - KK oop against TAG

Nice calculations! I really thought it were close, but if opponent is just a little aggressive it's definitely a push apperently.

Against real tight opponents / nits and the flop was rainbow, could we fold? Becasue I doubt they always raise up AQ.

Any other option then shove or fold is totally exluded, am I right?
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Old 08-26-2007, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - KK oop against TAG

If the flop was Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I'd turbomuck, since there's no need for AQ to protect his hand and villain can't have a big draw on that flop to 3bet with.

An yes, push or fold. I'd kill myself if I call here and a A/Q/7/2/heart falls on the turn.
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Old 08-26-2007, 07:40 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - KK oop against TAG

seems like you have a good read but if ur not comfortable laying it down on flop then call raise and lead turn for half pot
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Old 08-26-2007, 09:18 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - KK oop against TAG

[ QUOTE ]
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.934% 52.93% 00.00% 10481 0.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 47.066% 47.07% 00.00% 9319 0.00 { 66, 33, AhKh, AQs, 5h4h, AQo }



AhKh excluded (3bets pf?):

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.929% 52.93% 00.00% 9956 0.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 47.071% 47.07% 00.00% 8854 0.00 { 66, 33, AQs, 5h4h, AQo }

5h4h exluded (folds pf?):

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.440% 53.44% 00.00% 9523 0.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 46.560% 46.56% 00.00% 8297 0.00 { 66, 33, AQs, AQo }

[/ QUOTE ]what bout QQ or someone trying to trap aces PF
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