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Old 08-20-2007, 09:44 PM
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Default 200 NL. My KK runs into a 3-bet 165bbs deep.

Opponent is 24/8.5. I don't have a read outside of the pokertracker data. I hate these spots with KK, especially deep-stacked, and I tend to play very slow, since most players I have no history with, with these numbers, have a very tight 3-bet range. Playing slow gets more action when I'm ahead, since JJ, QQ, AK are going to be afraid of aces or kings if I 4-bet them PF. It allows me to actually get all-in when I'm ahead, since a QQ will have trouble believing I didn't re-raise PF, or play faster on the flop with a hand this good. The bet on the river made me sick. I actually had my mouse hovering over the call after I check, as I expected him to make a 100ish bet, but his push really scared me. How would you play this different?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 7 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $490.80
BB: $209.15
UTG: $45.90
Hero (UTG+1): $331.10
MP: $43.15
CO: $563.45
BTN: $40.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.00</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $22.00</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $16.00

Flop: ($47) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($47) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $50.00</font>, Hero calls $50.00

River: ($147) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets all-in for $491.45</font>, [i]Hero ???
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Old 08-20-2007, 10:28 PM
FrogMouth FrogMouth is offline
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Default Re: 200 NL. My KK runs into a 3-bet 165bbs deep.

I'll give a shot. I think you have to give him credit for JJ here unless you have seen him overbet bluff before.

FWIW I probablly bet the turn and play it from there.
Tough hand.
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Old 08-20-2007, 10:52 PM
FireStorm FireStorm is offline
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Default Re: 200 NL. My KK runs into a 3-bet 165bbs deep.

4 bet preflop.

Bet the flop.

Bet the turn or CRAI on the turn.

River, decision will be made for you by the time you reach it. As played, toss up, you only beat QQ or total air, but it's hard to imagine he plays AA like this. JJ wouldn't surprise me.
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Old 08-21-2007, 12:14 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL. My KK runs into a 3-bet 165bbs deep.

Turn is ugly, I really don't understand why you didn't lead there.
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:10 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL. My KK runs into a 3-bet 165bbs deep.

i like your line as long as you fold the river. you are way too deep to even be considering a call.
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:14 AM
AlexB182 AlexB182 is offline
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Default Re: 200 NL. My KK runs into a 3-bet 165bbs deep.

Lead the turn. When he shoves there or calls and then raises AI on river fold.
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:28 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL. My KK runs into a 3-bet 165bbs deep.

I like a 4b preflop but I don't hate your line as long as you fold river.
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Old 08-21-2007, 07:35 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL. My KK runs into a 3-bet 165bbs deep.

4 bet PF, bet flop and turn... take the lead to this hand and you had the lead but you let him take it from you by just checking
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Old 08-21-2007, 07:49 AM
zer0c0ntr0l1278 zer0c0ntr0l1278 is offline
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Default Re: 200 NL. My KK runs into a 3-bet 165bbs deep.

I agree with them. You know you run the risk of being drawn out or pushed around since you didnt reraise preflop. You should lead out on the flop and be all in on the turn.
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Old 08-21-2007, 08:26 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL. My KK runs into a 3-bet 165bbs deep.

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I agree with them. You know you run the risk of being drawn out or pushed around since you didnt reraise preflop. You should lead out on the flop and be all in on the turn.

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because u really think that QQ will call a push on the turn on a JTxx non drawy board?

come on that's not 6m, that's FR, the only non bluff hand that we beat is QQ on the turn. And don't bet the flop when you chose to call with KK pf and you are deep unless you want to lose big or win few.
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