Simplifying My Absolute Post

[VP$IP]

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... Also making too much of this whole thing when they are now trying to correct it, could be bad for poker in general.

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(Another) Fundamental Theory of Poker:
Anytime the owners of an online casino get caught cheating, and we do not actively try to punish them severely, it is bad for poker in general.

[durron597]

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if we can whether OP's posts 2+2 may survive?

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lol

[SNOWBALL]

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i think skalansky is gettin hated on bc he didnt take a stance of rah rah, boycott ap, internet poker players of the world unite, lets make a difference, come together, give peace a chance, all shine on. sorry guys david isnt your knight in shining armor and hes not gonna undertake a crusade.

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QFT

The attitude toward Sklansky appears to be "If you aren't with us, you are against us." That didn't go over so well last time someone said that.

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yeah it did. he got reelected.

[Alobar]

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I'm writing this because so many of those who criticized my first post seem to have misunderstood it.

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Yeah.

Cause when something's not clear, I've noticed that it's usually the reader's fault, not the writer's. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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yeah, but in this case it actually is the readers fault. But then it is BBV, so that souldnt be too shocking

[PoorSkillz]

Regarding Mr. Sklansky,

The problem I have with Mr. Sklansky is NOT that he has different views than I do. The problem I have is that when people argue that his opinion is wrong and gives him reasons why or if they have any other questions regarding what he said in his post, Mr. Sklansky does not respond to them.

Instead, Sklansky creates an entirely new post restating the same exact opinion but "simplifies" it for the masses. The problem isn't that we are not smart enough to understand what you are trying to say Mr. Sklansky. Your opinion is going to be wrong no matter how much you "simplify" it for us, but if you would like to discuss your opinion with us maybe we can understand each other a little better. Until that happens, I ask Mason to please reapply his muzzle to Mr. Sklansky.

[thac]

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HURT those owners

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I agree.

[Matfrid]

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2. Since Absolute still probably doesn't have good cheating catching software, anyone who plays there is more likely to be cheated than if they played at a site that does have this software.

3. Absolute is going to whether this storm no matter what we do. And they are probably going to get rid of the bad apples and eventually run a good site. Driving them out of business might be fun. But if it is mainly innocent idiots who are hurt rather than thieves it isn't that fun. Also making too much of this whole thing when they are now trying to correct it, could be bad for poker in general. That being said I would be all for a probably futile effort to put them out of business if it was clear they have retained their theives and were still trying to rob us. But it is not clear.

4. If Absolute is going to continue on merrily along regardless of what two plus twoers do should we boycott them for the sake of principle only? If this was Wal Mart employing slave labor in Cambodia, I would say yes. But it is not. You should have no trouble looking at yourself in the mirror if you log on to Absolute and win lots of money there. You might have helped scoundrel owners but maybe they are gone. (You might also have HURT those owners by making the games tougher.)

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Yes, a boycott might not be efficient. But many industries have voluntary systems for certification and ratings. The MPAA-NATO movie ratings in USA is just one well known example.

The swedish blue collar union TCO has had enormous success with their computer monitor rating, recognized world wide. It has become an important part of marketing monitors to have them TCO certified.

An initiative for an industry wide rating/certification of online poker could also have such success. If almost all sites would get the certificate, it might have such impact that it would be impossible to run a poker site without it.

[Phil153]

Eagerly awaiting your "Clarifying My Simplifying My Absolute Post" post.

[LuckyMux]

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"I would be all for a probably futile effort to put them out of business if it was clear they have retained their thieves."

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It's abundantly clear that they have done just that.

Had they not, you can bet we would have heard about the arrests and prosecutions shouted from the rooftops of Costa Rica. Did Barings allow Nick Leeson to chill on a Panama beach and still get paid?

Instead, AP continues to protect, cover and lie for the perpetrators. It has officially named and shamed NOBODY in any of its garbage statements regarding the scandal, except when claiming Scott Tom hasn't been involved with AP for over a year (a proven lie).

Now you know, I hope you will stand by your statement and help to drive these cheating scumbags out of poker forever.

[VP$IP]

Groups with different degrees of tolerance for cheating:
[ ] the player(s) who went HU with the cheater
[ ] players who paid the tournament entry fee
[ ] all Absolute Poker players
[ ] all online poker players
[ ] all poker players
[ ] administrators of poker forums
[ ] gambling commissioners from tribes who provide "oversight" AND ALSO host the AP network servers
[ ] owners of TV networks, websites, etc. who receive AP advertising dollars
[ ] all Absolute Poker owners
[ ] the cheater