KK on scary board against 2 donks.

Kimpan · #1 08-21-2007, 06:52 AM

PartyPoker $100 NL Hold'em (4 handed) HandRecorder v0.9b

Stacks & Stats
BB ($172.14) (65/27/3.08/33) (52h)
SB ($84)
CO ($74.88) (62/15/1.18/33) (61h)
Hero ($377.78)

Preflop: Hero is BU with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
CO calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 1 folds, BB calls $4, CO calls $4.

Flop: ($15.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $3, CO raises to $6, Hero raises to $27.50, BB folds, CO raises to $49, hero..

SSES · #2 08-21-2007, 07:04 AM

i dont raise the flop here i think

ebalf · #3 08-21-2007, 07:44 AM

I don't really get the minraise by the CO.
Original raiser is still behind. If he's really got a hand why not call, wait for the initial raiser to raise the flop-bet, get a call from the BB and so trap both of them by shoving?
Is this supposed to be like a blocking bet: "Scare the initial raiser so that I see a cheap turn card"?

IMHO the flop-raise by hero is fine.
What if the turn-card is a blank and BB or cutoff bets again, this time big? Call again?
I think it's a good idea to find out what CO hast got.

Second CO minraise looks like a hand not afraid of draws since he's laying good odds OOP. Your line (big flop-raise) doesn't look like a draw, more like TPTK/MPTK/overpair/set.
If he puts you on TPTK/MPTK/overpair/set and still raises, what do you put him on?
CO got only $20 left. If he had wanted to push out draws, he should have shoved instead.

I think he's got maybe two pair, maybe set, maybe a very very weird AA.

If he's got less than TPTK and isn't sure about the strength of his hand, he could call your re-raise, wait for a scare card and push.

I think you're beat.
It's a fold IMO.

SSES · #4 08-21-2007, 07:58 AM

CO ($74.88) (62/15/1.18/33) (61h)

ebalf - you seem to be forgetting that CO is a retard

he is probably thinking 'omg i flopped the nuts, ill raise to get they moneys but not by too much or they will get scared'

RocktheCasbah · #5 08-21-2007, 08:16 AM

although you wanna get value from TP and draws, dumb players are dangerous. I just call this flop

ebalf · #6 08-21-2007, 08:17 AM

A retard? Not sure about this. 61 hands with only 4 players at the table.

But yes, I didn't look at his stats. You could be right.
My fault. Odds are ok vs. a loose player.

ValarMorghulis · #7 08-21-2007, 08:40 AM

Looks like you're beat. (CO has the nuts or what he thinks are the nuts.) I'm pretty sure I just shove here though. Another 42 to win a pot of 160ish. You've probably 40% equity against QJ and maybe CO sees AQ as the nuts. You've blockers against KT but wouldn't be at all surprised to see it here.

Oct0puz · #8 08-21-2007, 08:47 AM

I play it the same. Maybe raise a little bit more on the flop. Now put villain all-in.

You are getting 2.7:1 when going all-in. You are a 3:1 underdog to { KTs, QJs, Q9s, J9s, T8s, KTo, QJo, Q9o, J9o, T8o } according to pokerstove. Put in some draws and top pair hands and it's an easy call.