Andy Reid Suspension Speculation Thread

[Fonkey123]

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But seriously, I don't even know how to respond to this thread. If someone digs a hole in your yard and plants illegal narcotics, etc. does that become the responsibility of the property owner?

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Apparently only if you wear a jersey on the sideline.

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I really don't want Romo to play versus the eagles, so I'm gonna plant some coke in his house, so Goddel suspends him?

I know I'm using hyperbole, but my analogy is as different as your scenario in this situation.

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Andy Reid's kids continually bought and sold drugs and had illegally purchased guns in his home. Imagine if Edgerrin James' cousin gets busted for this.

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Hm, apparently I don't know as much on the vick situation as I thought? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] I'm an eagles fan, so I've been closely following the Reid situation, but I'll back off since apparently I'm out of the loop in the Vick thing.

I thought Vick was the one that was organizing/running the illegal dog rings?

[mmbt0ne]

Fonkey,

He was, and that's what he was ultimately suspended indefinitely for. The issue is that early on in the process when he was still proclaiming his innocence he said that he was never at the house and that it was his cousin who lived there and ran the household. That's when Goodell responed with the, "I was very clear with him that if it's happening on your property, it's your responsibility" explanation for why he was still going to be asked to skip the pre-season camps.

[Needle77]

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Needle,

Clearly there's a divide between how coaches and players are punished. I can't explain why, but I'm sure like you said even when you can't explain it you kinda understand why it exists. That doesn't make it any less frustrating though.

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What makes it more frustrating is the fact that we as the public are to assume that these coaches are in control and more mature than the players. Now this really isn't an issue of maturity, but obviously a mistake was made somewhere in Reid's life as a parent, not saying that he could have done something different that would change the situation but something did go wrong.

And about the first point in being in control. This is what any fan assumes out of a coach is he can control a team. I'm sorry if I feel like if you can't control a family you are not fit to control a team. Yes, one is an occupation and the other is not. Also, I understand that controlling 22-40 year old men is completely different than your own children, but it is a feeling I have.

Thank you mmb for bringing this up. I, for one reason or another, may have never made the connection between the two. It actually makes me angry that the Goodell hasn't said anything, or at least anything I have heard.

Edit: fixed last sentence so it made sense.

[Fonkey123]

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Fonkey,

He was, and that's what he was ultimately suspended indefinitely for. The issue is that early on in the process when he was still proclaiming his innocence he said that he was never at the house and that it was his cousin who lived there and ran the household. That's when Goodell responed with the, "I was very clear with him that if it's happening on your property, it's your responsibility" explanation for why he was still going to be asked to skip the pre-season camps.

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OIC, then your position is more tenable than I originally thought; however, the key difference I think is that an ivestigation was currently underway that included Vick for felony charges right?

If Andy Reid was the target of the investiation of drug running, I believe he would have been suspended.

[Fonkey123]

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Needle,

Clearly there's a divide between how coaches and players are punished. I can't explain why, but I'm sure like you said even when you can't explain it you kinda understand why it exists. That doesn't make it any less frustrating though.

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What makes it more frustrating is the fact that we as the public are to assume that these coaches are in control and more mature than the players. Now this really isn't an issue of maturity, but obviously a mistake was made somewhere in Reid's life as a parent, not saying that he could have done something different that would change the situation but something did go wrong.

And about the first point in being in control. This is what any fan assumes out of a coach is he can control a team. I'm sorry if I feel like if you can't control a family you are not fit to control a team. Yes, one is an occupation and the other is not. Also, I understand that controlling 22-40 year old men is completely different than your own children, but it is a feeling I have.

Thank you mmb for bringing this up. I, for one reason or another, may have never made the connection between the two. It actually makes me angry that the Goodell hasn't said anything, or at least anything I have heard.

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How often are NFL coaches even home though? The rigorous demands force them (pulling numbers out of my ass) but I would speculate 80-100 hours per week in the office, and away from home.

I would imagine he's with the NFL team 10 times as much as he's at home.

I just can't damn the person putting in insane hours to fufill his obligation to his job for not simultaneously controlling his household.

edit: and if he wasn't putting in these insane hours and leading his team to the playoffs what 5 straight times? i can damn near guarantee his ass would be fired

[Needle77]

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If Andy Reid was the target of the investiation of drug running, I believe he would have been suspended.

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The more I think about this the more I feel that a coach should be punished more. Now the punishment would have to be issued differently, I don't think it would be entirely fair to an organization for an immediate suspension. But, take away a 2nd day draft pick, don't allow the coach to partake in OTA's, ect. If he is suspended during the season what is stopping him from still making game plans and watching film?

[Needle77]

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How often are NFL coaches even home though? The rigorous demands force them (pulling numbers out of my ass) but I would speculate 80-100 hours per week in the office, and away from home.

I would imagine he's with the NFL team 10 times as much as he's at home.

I just can't damn the person putting in insane hours to fufill his obligation to his job for not simultaneously controlling his household.

edit: and if he wasn't putting in these insane hours and leading his team to the playoffs what 5 straight times? i can damn near guarantee his ass would be fired

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Fonkey,

I'm sorry but that just doesn't cut it for me. I understand that 100 hour work weeks are sometimes the norm at the NFL level. But, that is an excuse and a very lame one at that. A parent is a parent no matter what. We all know kids that ended up fine even though their dads were firemen, policemen, businessman, ect. that worked hours that were out of the ordinary. These parents learned to balance both work and family. I am no parent, far from it actually, but I think that is part of having kids, learn to balance and if you can't do that, well then I would say you are not doing your job as a parent.

[hoyasnaxa]

Plz plz plz pl zpl zpl zpl pzl pzlplz plz pl zplzp resign.

[Smell The Glove]

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And about the first point in being in control. This is what any fan assumes out of a coach is he can control a team. I'm sorry if I feel like if you can't control a family you are not fit to control a team. Yes, one is an occupation and the other is not. Also, I understand that controlling 22-40 year old men is completely different than your own children, but it is a feeling I have.


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Tony Dungy is a good coach by all accounts and yet his son committed suicide. I would say that it's more like being an NFL head coach precludes someone from being in control of their families because they spend such little time with their families.

[areyouthedrizzle]

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Fonkey,

He was, and that's what he was ultimately suspended indefinitely for. The issue is that early on in the process when he was still proclaiming his innocence he said that he was never at the house and that it was his cousin who lived there and ran the household. That's when Goodell responed with the, "I was very clear with him that if it's happening on your property, it's your responsibility" explanation for why he was still going to be asked to skip the pre-season camps.

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Goodell is clearly a racist. oh wait... wtf [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]