not sure about this laydown - 11$ mtt

levAA · #1 07-15-2007, 10:59 AM

utg was tight-passive,
mp1 very loose (was in 60%) and passive

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG raises to t200, hero calls t200 (pot was t350), UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls t200 (pot was t550), 5 folds, BB calls t100 (pot was t750).

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t850, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets t200, hero calls t200 (pot was t1050), MP1 folds, BB calls t200 (pot was t1250).

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t1450, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, hero bets t800, BB calls t800 (pot was t2250), UTG folds.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t3050, 2 players)
BB bets t1400, hero folds.
Uncalled bets: t1400 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: t3050

supair · #2 07-15-2007, 11:19 AM

hi mate, could do with stack sizes please, but we dont really cos just fold preflop.

levAA · #3 07-15-2007, 11:28 AM

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hi mate, could do with stack sizes please, but we dont really cos just fold preflop.

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Seat 1: ry4n8 ( 3,260 )
Seat 3: hero ( 5,270 )
Seat 5: DAVIDSYBRAND ( 830 )
Seat 6: ingeborg888 ( 4,940 )
Seat 7: Fatfrede ( 5,720 )
Seat 9: lokimoki ( 4,990 )
Seat 10: guegue7 ( 5,950 )
Seat 4: yanick24 ( 4,300 )
Seat 2: rupertbear12 ( 4,730 )
Seat 8: Faust22 ( 1,840 )

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sorry forgot that
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i don't want a fold preflop discussion here - not everyone has the same starting requirements.

just wanted to know something about the laydown

supair · #4 07-15-2007, 11:57 AM

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i don't want a fold preflop discussion here - not everyone has the same starting requirements.

just wanted to know something about the laydown

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Fair enough, I imagine you dont want to know that Id raise the flop to 1k aswell, but i would, and if you just want to know about the river, Id call, unless hes a good player who could check KK/AQ on the turn.

levAA · #5 07-15-2007, 12:55 PM

ty

think the flop was the worst problem

Dunkman · #6 07-15-2007, 01:12 PM

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think the flop was the worst problem

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No, PF was the worst problem. Calling here is quite a bad leak. It has nothing to do with style and everything to do with you spewing chips all over the table. Call the river, sure looks like a busted draw.

Also, I'd raise the flop to try and protect my vulnerable hand, but that's been discussed already.

cheburashka · #7 07-15-2007, 11:30 AM

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hi mate, could do with stack sizes please, but we dont really cos just fold preflop.

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Agree. But as played, is UTG capable of sucking you in with a set or two pair, or is he just donking with a draw? If the former, shouldn't you just get out? If the latter, shouldn't you raise the flop to ~1000?

JARID · #8 07-15-2007, 01:19 PM

fold pf, seriously.

River advice: You said the guy was loose/passive, so you should have a sense of whether he is capable of betting busted draws. If he is at all, you should call at like 3.5-1. Otherwise it looks like you're being taken to valuetown, so fold.