bvb what to do when getting 3b

[the machine]

4b obviously

villain is 20/15 over small sample. ive been active but mostly with good hands.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $110.05
BTN: $95.50
Hero (SB): $99
BB: $131.80
UTG: $122.25
MP: $129.35

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $12</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $32</font>, BB calls $20

Flop: ($64) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $67 and is All-In</font>

is this the only line given action

[Sirasoni]

it's fold or 4bet, calling the 3b oop esp with a hand like A7o is a major pf leak

hand is played fine to me.

[sh58]

looks good.

i know the small 4bet is all the rage atm, but i think you should make it $36 at least. i think $32 is a mite too small, especially as his 3bet was fairly small.

[nazahl]

betting the flop sucks imo

[TheLoon]

I agree with Sirasoni to some level, it's 4bet or fold. I would fold because it will cost to much to find out if you are good on the flop being OOP.

TheLoon

[the machine]

i didnt know the valueish looking 4b was in these days. i just did it cause i felt it was the right time to do it. guess ill have to lay off if its the cool thing to do.

my main concern is the flop though. shoving just pushes him off anything i beat. i htink he never calls worse, and i trap myself if i am behind.

unless this is me just merging and a standard shove given pf action

do we shove QQ here?

[sh58]

if i was villain i would be calling any flop once i called a 4bet. you cannot c/f in 4bet pots, it is just throwing away money.

i have 4bet KK before and shoved on an A hi flop.

but maybe you should c/c instead to get value out of opponents who will fold an underpair here

[the machine]

well he cant call any flop. if he decided to look me up with KQs he obv cant call this flop.

[nazahl]

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shoving just pushes him off anything i beat. i htink he never calls worse, and i trap myself if i am behind.


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so check. checking is sweet here, its very reasonable for u to play KK/QQ this way and gives him incentive to try and bluff u off