100r QQ semi deep

[Sykes]

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Bakes,
Nobody raise/folds with JJ here.

Sykes,
Just because you suck at poker and don't know what to do post flop if you call pre doesn't make it a bad option.

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k. what do you then smart guy?

unless you're calling to stop and go the flop.

[adanthar]

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Sykes,
Just because you suck at poker and don't know what to do post flop if you call pre doesn't make it a bad option.

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Eagles,

The call is 25% of our stack. At what point is it going to be profitable for us to play a flop, considering that, if he's reraising light enough for us to call in the first place, we're either getting bluffed off the best hand an awful lot or letting him fold all worse hands postflop?

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Bakes,

Okay fine, you called. He bets 1/2 the pot and 1/3 of your stack. Whatever you're going to do, I hope it doesn't involve calling, because the only thing that you do with that is give free cards to gutshots. I also hope it doesn't involve folding, because it's the bubble/we have a set/he can have AK/we have a set. So, yeah, I'm not sure what the question is.

[Sykes]

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Sykes,
Just because you suck at poker and don't know what to do post flop if you call pre doesn't make it a bad option.

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Eagles,

The call is 25% of our stack. At what point is it going to be profitable for us to play a flop, considering that, if he's reraising light enough for us to call in the first place, we're either getting bluffed off the best hand an awful lot or letting him fold all worse hands postflop?

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Bakes,

Okay fine, you called. He bets 1/2 the pot and 1/3 of your stack. Whatever you're going to do, I hope it doesn't involve calling, because the only thing that you do with that is give free cards to gutshots. I also hope it doesn't involve folding, because it's the bubble/we have a set/he can have AK/we have a set. So, yeah, I'm not sure what the question is.

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I'm so glad my first post summed up this entire topic.

[Bakes]

i mean i was sorta with you, then you said call is worse than fold.

adanthar - the question was pf more really. also i don't really get pushed off the best hand much and i think even if he has garbage he puts in a cbet.

[0evg0]

wooooow

Sykes with some serious condescension considering he's making a complete ass of himself every time he tries to explain his retardation

[adanthar]

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adanthar - the question was pf more really. also i don't really get pushed off the best hand much and i think even if he has garbage he puts in a cbet.

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pretty sure an A-K, no Q flop hits around 1/3 of the time. don't remember it for sure at 4 AM so give or take 5%. doesn't much matter.

if you c/f both of those flops vs a range of, say, 66% (JJ+, AK), 33% (random non-72o hands that look pretty), calling cannot be better than shoving, period. if you c/c a K high flop and c/f an ace it becomes slightly complicated but I'm pretty sure it's still worse than just shoving. the math is actually pretty doable, I'm just tired/lazy.

you can adjust the good hand vs. trash range however you want but it's going to take an awful lot of big cbets with trash to make a call better.

[timex]

Adanthar- you can't possibly expect him to be reraising 3x to 11x with junk as much as 33% of his range, I'd be very surprised if more than 10% of his range is outside of (TT+,AK).

[Exitonly]

i agree with sykes, calling pf is really awkward here.

[Eagles]

Calling pf is awkward but not really bad. If he's 3betting light you get a lot more value out of his weaker hands. I can't' really give a post flop plan because it depends so much on board texture what villain bets etc.

[djk123]

I'd be surprised if some unknown is ever 3 betting light here