Anyone heard anything: "What no one is saying about internet poker"

[Senator7]

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I'm not saying they do it, but they also have the power to manipulate pocket and community cards to create larger pots and more rake.

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This is foolishness, and borders on flagrent trolling.

You do realise that even on-line casinos are regulated, don't you? Kahnawake Gaming Commission?

And the cards are shuffled by an RNG. RNG is a well documented area of mathmatics. On-line casinos go to great lengths to demonstrate that their shuffles are, in fact, random. The claim you just made states that their shuffles are NOT random, and that they minipulate the cards to increase pot size, and thus rake.

So, if you're running an on-line casino and raking pots to the tune of 2 million dollars a day, would you risk having your business shut down and all your customers abandon you just so you could rake 2.3 million a day?

2 million at virtually no risk vs 2.3 million with MAJOR risk of ruin?

Not just a bad business decition, but if you're CEO of a publicly traded company (and many of the on-line casinos are publicly traded) then you risk JAIL for malfeasence.

They don't cheat. They don't HAVE to cheat. And a well run, fair casino is nearly a risk-free business. A casino, B&M or on-line, is as close to you can get to having a lisence to print money. And no corporation that runs a casino will be willing to screw up such a sweet-heart deal for an extra punkass million or two a day.

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Trolling? Come on, Phydaux. You know better than that.

I did not say they do it, I said they have the power to do it.

You can say all you want about RNG and the hands per hour, but the fact remains that I (and many others) have seen some things happen in online poker that I have never seen in a live game.

Bernie's analysis is spot on.

[phydaux]

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the fact remains that I (and many others) have seen some things happen in online poker that I have never seen in a live game.

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And I have seen a chicken beat a man at tic-tac-toe. Therefore, chickens are smarter than humans, correct?

No. Do not succumb to the fallacy of anecdotal evidence.

[Senator7]

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the fact remains that I (and many others) have seen some things happen in online poker that I have never seen in a live game.

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And I have seen a chicken beat a man at tic-tac-toe. Therefore, chickens are smarter than humans, correct?

No. Do not succumb to the fallacy of anecdotal evidence.

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Stop taking this personally and stop taking these arguments to extremes.

I, personally, prefer live play because I don't have to worry about playing against bots or people using Poker Tracker or other software to make their decisions for them.

You can give me all the evidence you have to the contrary, but I will always view online poker as being much more of a crapshoot than live poker.

[bernie]

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the fact remains that I (and many others) have seen some things happen in online poker that I have never seen in a live game.

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And I have seen a chicken beat a man at tic-tac-toe. Therefore, chickens are smarter than humans, correct?

No. Do not succumb to the fallacy of anecdotal evidence.

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How about the fact of past misconduct in the gambling industry making it a valid possibility? And yes, there is concrete evidence of that.

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[bernie]

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I'm done. If you turn a blind eye to reason and logic, then I wish you well with your charms, totems and superstitions.

I leave this thread in the hands of those wiht no knowledge of economics. Do with it what you will.

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Who's turning a blind eye?

How about you study a bit of the history of gambling before saying something like this is an impossibility. Feel free to come back when you gain some knowledge in that department. Especially if you think that the only ones that would do this are ones you think 'need' to do it. Whatta joke. The world isn't all rainbows and sugarplums.

Btw...If an online site shut down tomorrow, they're under no legal obligation to pay off anyone who had money in their accounts. Example? Dutch Boyd.

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You do realise that even on-line casinos are regulated, don't you? Kahnawake Gaming Commission?

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Have they ever had a documented incident with any online site yet that they've penalized in any way? Just wondering. But then I'm guessing every site is squeeky clean. Just like every casino in Vegas was. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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[rjohson]

this is how i feel abpit online cheating, first of all if some one has a 10 billion dollar racket, and ther is a possibiltity for them to get and extra 2 billion by cheating and the risk is relatively small they will do it, or they will spend another 10 billion to firgure out how to do it. your talking abot online computer programs, some one hqad to develope and design the system to create the so called random dealings of the card right? dont you thing there is a person out there who can firgure out how to minipulate that same system to their advantage. you dont think there is some 15 year old computer geek ou there who has already firgured out how to cheat at online poker? you have teenagers tapping into the pentagon defense sytems or into the finacial records of major banks and corporations, but you think online poker is safe and legit? if you believe that come and buy my bridge ill give it to you for half price. i would never play online poker for money to many weird things going on. even when you play for fake chips weird stuff happens, and its not because of the quantity of the hands.

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I would say that if you seen a chicken beat a man in tic tac toe, you and the man who got beat by the chicken need to cop your drugs from another dealer.

[phydaux]

This thread has gone from X-Files to The Smoking Gun. Next, you'll be denying the moon landings.

[bernie]

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This thread has gone from X-Files to The Smoking Gun. Next, you'll be denying the moon landings.

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I noticed that you didn't refute any of my points.

I guess those never happened either.

But then it's tough to argue hypothetical over proven fact. No matter how condescending your hypothetical argument is.

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[renereal]

who regulates poker sites? if its these little countries they opertate from then theres no hope because there goverements want a piece of there pie and they wont stop the sites if they are bringing in good money.