Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot

[rand]

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people do dumb [censored] all the time...

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $100.20
UTG: $203
MP: $334.35
CO: $161.80
Hero (BTN): $216.90
SB: $202.40

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, CO calls $2, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, SB calls $9, 2 folds

Flop: ($24) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $15</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $192.40 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $177.40

Turn: ($408.80) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($408.80) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $408.80 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $405.80 (+$203.40 NET)
SB showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$202.40 NET)

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of course they do...but this hand is so different:
he CR, not open shoved
no str8
unlikely 2P combos

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lol, I think you have it backwards. I'd at least consider folding if the villain in the op had c/r this flop rather than open shove.

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logically you would think so...but thats not how it works

[MRBAA]

Fair enough, and I totally agree that you have to factor in the donk factor. But this hand is pretty different. If he has a set of 4s or 5s, or 45, I tip my cap. A set of kings? I think he reraises preflop but again, I tip my cap. The possibilities of hands to beat me are just so much fewer and seem so much less likely here than in the OP's example.

[loosbastard]

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people do dumb [censored] all the time...

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Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $92.20
BB: $56
UTG: $68.50
Hero (CO): $352.40
BTN: $127.15

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $3</font>, Hero calls $3, 3 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $65.50 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $65.50

Turn: ($138.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($138.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $138.50 Pot ($2 Rake)
UTG showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Sevens and Threes) and LOST (-$68.50 NET)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Threes) and WON $136.50 (+$68 NET)

[rand]

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people do dumb [censored] all the time...

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Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $92.20
BB: $56
UTG: $68.50
Hero (CO): $352.40
BTN: $127.15

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $3</font>, Hero calls $3, 3 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $65.50 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $65.50

Turn: ($138.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($138.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $138.50 Pot ($2 Rake)
UTG showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Sevens and Threes) and LOST (-$68.50 NET)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Threes) and WON $136.50 (+$68 NET)

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lol once again, of course they do, proving that they do [censored] all the time is not really the issue though-besides everyone and their mom calls this and is happy to do so

[MRBAA]

Well one thing we can all agree on that this thread really brings home -- the small n/l games are very good right now, aren't they?

I remember sitting in Party 2-4 he games 5 or so years back, 5+ to every flop and just killing it playing solid poker.

[bilbo-san]

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this is a snap call, but bilbo your stoved range has the wrong board. regardless it's still a call.

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Lol, yeah, our equity is even better:

Board: 8h 9s Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.441% 67.79% 00.65% 48990 472.50 { QQ+, 99-88, AsKs, AsJs, AsTs, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, JTs, Q8o+, JTo }
Hand 1: 31.559% 30.90% 00.65% 22335 472.50 { KcKh }


MRBAA,

It isn't about how many hands of poker you've played. It's about how often you HAVE CALLED IN THESE SPOTS.

These spots come up about once a session with me. I never (EVER) fold overpairs or TPTK in them. So I've probably called here about 200-300 times, and consequently have a sample size of 2-300 to use to estimate what hole cards your typical drooler will have here.

You, on the other hand, always fold here. Your sample size consists of the 10 or 20 hands that villain might have deigned to show you instead of mucking (and that's if you've played as many sessions as me, which is possible, because I don't do nearly as many hands/month as most here).

And yet you'd like to lecture all of us on Villain's range? Do you see why I am getting a little tired of arguing with you about villain's range? How the hell would you know it? You are applying some amateur psychology to people you can't even see, to try and get an inkling of their thought-process. You make all kinds of (incorrect) assumptions about how rational these people (that you can't see, and don't know) would act.

Me, I'll take the data from my n=200 experiment over your intuition, thanks very much.

[orange]

lol this thread is retarded. rand's statements contradict themselves like a mofo. he would shove 2p/straight but not a set? lmao

[MRBAA]

I don't always fold in situations "like this". Just saying the action, the cards and the bet size in the specific hand make this one a fold for me. Your stats-based approach is very powerful, but it's also flawed in that most hands/situations are in fact different.

[Chaos_ult]

57 replies?


You call obv.

[yad]

you gotta call here, even though terrible players LOVE to play AA like this for some reason.